| hyrcanus | hello | 03:48 |
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| c0rnelius | hey | 03:49 |
| hyrcanus | greetings c0rnelius | 03:50 |
| c0rnelius | ditto | 03:50 |
| hyrcanus | why aren't there linux arm SBCs with cortex cpus newer than A73? | 04:12 |
| gnarface | not a lot of commercial demand for these things yet | 04:13 |
| gnarface | not running linux, anyway | 04:13 |
| hyrcanus | anyone here gotten devuan-arm running on the google pixel-c tablet? | 04:16 |
| hyrcanus | with keyboard, FOSS drivers, strong GPU, almost a nice subnotebook possible | 04:16 |
| c0rnelius | I would think not as its some what proprietary and Android kernels tend to be way behind the curb and in them selves super vendor driven. | 04:20 |
| gnarface | you should check out the pinebook pro | 04:21 |
| gnarface | probably not faster than a google pixel-c but probably better supported | 04:21 |
| gnarface | yea the problem with trying to repurpose android devices is that their kernel is freaking ancient now | 04:22 |
| c0rnelius | Well with the Pinebook ur either looking at an allwinner or rockchip SoC. | 04:22 |
| gnarface | the rockchip ones are the faster ones | 04:22 |
| gnarface | they only put those in the pro | 04:22 |
| c0rnelius | Yeah it uses an RK3399 | 04:22 |
| gnarface | the older pinebooks are A64 but also discontinued | 04:22 |
| c0rnelius | A64 also sucks. No offense :) | 04:23 |
| c0rnelius | Its a juiced up H5, which is also now discontinued. | 04:23 |
| gnarface | it's an objectively crappy chip by modern standards but that also makes it completely immune to all the hardware-instruction-level vulnerabilities of newer cpus... | 04:23 |
| hyrcanus | https://github.com/pixelc-linux | 04:24 |
| c0rnelius | I meant more in practical terms. I have an a64 board. Its pretty bad. | 04:24 |
| c0rnelius | The H5s actually seemt o run better. | 04:24 |
| hyrcanus | the speculative execution vulnerabilities are terrible | 04:25 |
| hyrcanus | but so are websites, which require supercomputers to display some text and graphics | 04:25 |
| c0rnelius | I mean next week this will be some how outdated as we are dealing in the world of Arm, but for pure horse power I would probs go with a S922X Amlogic SoC. | 04:27 |
| c0rnelius | Runs cooler than RK3399s for starters and the BIG little is switched up, making it an over all faster SoC. | 04:28 |
| c0rnelius | PLus its clocks higher | 04:29 |
| gnarface | do we have a devuan image for that yet? | 04:31 |
| c0rnelius | Officially no. But I can make them. | 04:36 |
| c0rnelius | I added support for Devuan here, but I haven't run tests on everything - https://github.com/pyavitz/debian-image-builder | 04:37 |
| c0rnelius | Been busy trying to work out the defconfigs for 5.14.y and above. I think Tenkawa has made some Devuan imgs and tells me they work? I can't be completely sure though. | 04:39 |
| c0rnelius | I think the only init I haven't made for it was fan control, but tobetter who does the kernel source for hardkernel and the odroidn2+ provides an overlay for it. So in theory I really shouldn't have too. But I haven't tested that yet. | 04:47 |
| c0rnelius | Run like a beast though. So I don't see why if we didn't make a small effort we couldn't provide imgs. | 04:54 |
| c0rnelius | CPU Temp: 35°C 37°C | 04:54 |
| c0rnelius | Cores: 1908000 1908000 2208000 2208000 2208000 2208000 | 04:54 |
| c0rnelius | Governor: performance | 04:54 |
| c0rnelius | Uptime: 22:53:22 up 13:33, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 04:54 |
| c0rnelius | And thats me using it slightly under clocked on 5.14.7 | 04:54 |
| steev | c0rnelius: thanks for the growpart recommendation the other day, that is indeed working for me | 05:12 |
| c0rnelius | steev: You are very welcome. | 05:19 |
| hyrcanus | c0rnelius: khadas vim3 here. it's pretty good. i could use 6GB with browser running though. | 05:37 |
| hyrcanus | the web is horrible, horrible | 05:38 |
| hyrcanus | and the open-source panfrost drivers work quite well for those amlogics now | 05:39 |
| hyrcanus | opengl + opengl-es on cheap arm boards. it's really nice. | 05:39 |
| hyrcanus | unfortunately the gpus on the amlogics are mali G52 mp4. Very weak for pixel shaders. Nvidia's jetson nano crushes it | 05:40 |
| hyrcanus | mediatek's new silicon is also crippled in the shader dept.. the claim to target notebooks but deliver phone -level power envelope | 05:41 |
| hyrcanus | so if you're running any gl/gles stuff, that Pixel-C still is best, by far | 05:42 |
| hyrcanus | and you get open-source drivers, no blobs | 05:42 |
| hyrcanus | if you can piece it all together, that is | 05:43 |
| hyrcanus | only a few people have done it | 05:43 |
| c0rnelius | I don't have a lot of faith in running any of these boards as main driver / desktop. I use them all mostly headless, if not I use it as niche devices using Core/LibreELEC if I want good vid playback. | 05:43 |
| hyrcanus | i'm fine with 1080p tbh | 05:44 |
| hyrcanus | but yes graphics has been horrible in arm world. it's very nice nvidia recently delivered open-source drivers, and that panfrost has working drivers | 05:45 |
| hyrcanus | so there is progress | 05:45 |
| c0rnelius | For me its more of a... Sure it could be done? By why bother? You can go a buy a used thinkpad off ebay and do better for ur self with less effort. | 05:45 |
| hyrcanus | thinkpad doesn't fit in pocket :) | 05:46 |
| c0rnelius | Either does my N2+ | 05:46 |
| c0rnelius | or my NanoPC-T4 | 05:46 |
| c0rnelius | or any of my tablets | 05:46 |
| hyrcanus | my khadas fits in coat pocket, so i take that with me | 05:46 |
| c0rnelius | Don't have a khadas so I won't try to speak for them. But the form factor doesn't seem all that diff than other boards for the most part. | 05:48 |
| hyrcanus | nothing against thinkpads :) i have many | 05:48 |
| c0rnelius | But yeah, I don't know. | 05:48 |
| hyrcanus | i feel better without Evil Inside™ | 05:49 |
| c0rnelius | I think people expect to much from these SBCs, but I believe I'm apart of the "Not trying hard enough crowd to make this do what the world wants it too" group. I could be wrong? | 05:50 |
| hyrcanus | it's all I use since three years | 05:51 |
| c0rnelius | Hey I use them everywhere. Just for certain things. | 05:51 |
| c0rnelius | I don't expect them to solve all my problems. But I don't expect this one to do that and another to do this and blah blah. | 05:51 |
| c0rnelius | Its niche | 05:52 |
| c0rnelius | I have two setup as kodi boxes, another two embedded in speaker cabs for bluetooth and audio playback from services. Another one runs weechat, whilst another runs a webserver. Its just about focus for me I suppose. But I never expect one to accomplish all these goals. | 05:53 |
| c0rnelius | The more powerful ones I use for kernel compilation and img building for all the others. Basically development. | 05:55 |
| c0rnelius | Then we have all the stupid Pi's which are fun. I have one as a clock on my desk and 6 running as cams. Another as security display in kiosk mode so I can watch stupid happen live. SO yeah there is endless amounts of things we can do... Retropies are also fun L( | 05:58 |
| c0rnelius | :) | 05:58 |
| hyrcanus | ever get neural nets running on them? | 06:00 |
| c0rnelius | Can't say I have, no. | 06:00 |
| hyrcanus | i haven't either. python wheels and broken python* | 06:01 |
| c0rnelius | Python is kind of busted in Bullseye right now. | 06:01 |
| c0rnelius | Still works in Focal alright. But its... Focal. But yeah. | 06:02 |
| c0rnelius | I had an old python setup for making them into Bluetooth Audio Receivers, then Bullseye happened and its completely broke. I decided to look into Focal and yeap, still works there. | 06:04 |
| hyrcanus | what do you use for amplifier? | 06:10 |
| hyrcanus | i use a direct digital amplifier | 06:15 |
| hyrcanus | with electro-planar speakers, it is very revealing | 06:15 |
| steev | i like my c630 :( | 06:23 |
| steev | definitely won't fit in the pocket, and won't win a ton of speed awards, but storagewise, it does run circles around anything using usb/emmc/sdcard | 06:24 |
| c0rnelius | hyrcanus: https://github.com/pyavitz/musicbox | 07:34 |
| c0rnelius | But as suggested this should work on just about any SoC - https://github.com/pyavitz/musicbox/commit/fd5120e01072e2456f80789e0399a979da4302e5#comments | 07:35 |
| hyrcanus | nice project | 07:35 |
| c0rnelius | You may need a ground loop though depending on the board an amp module. | 07:35 |
| hyrcanus | atm i just run a usb line to my amp | 07:36 |
| c0rnelius | I have another self powered lil amp module but I recall the model off the top of my head? I just know that one doesn't require a ground loop. | 07:39 |
| c0rnelius | I can't* | 07:40 |
| hyrcanus | i thought ground loop was when you got the annoying sound from improper grounding | 07:40 |
| c0rnelius | Well that and it prevents annoying clicking which most boards tend to have from the analog port. | 07:41 |
| hyrcanus | hm | 07:42 |
| c0rnelius | Pi's and allwinner boards especially in my testing | 07:42 |
| c0rnelius | Thats not to say I'm 100% correct on that. Its just something I've noticed on some boards. | 07:43 |
| hyrcanus | yes often when the fix/workaround is found, it's a waste to delve further into root causes | 07:44 |
| c0rnelius | Exactly. | 07:45 |
| c0rnelius | Plus they don't cost much. | 07:46 |
| c0rnelius | And those PAM8403s modules cost even less. | 07:46 |
| c0rnelius | Nice thing about 8403 is you can power it from the 3V pin on the board and ground it as well. Its pretty sweet. | 07:50 |
| c0rnelius | Loud too. | 07:50 |
| c0rnelius | Just solder on the header pins and ur ready to rock. | 07:51 |
| hyrcanus | thing about my digital amp is it's not got the oomph, so i want to biamp with an adcom driving the woofers | 07:52 |
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