| LjL | uh "Very few US adults getting new flu, COVID, RSV vaccines, even in nursing homes" but i remember a previous headline, say a couple of weeks ago, saying uptake so far was higher than last year | 00:10 |
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| LjL | so many of these things seem to contradict each others... when it's studies, fair, it's difficult to compare them. but "are more or fewer people getting vaccinated" should be pretty simple statistics | 00:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Children and amputees bear brunt of Myanmar’s deadly landmine epidemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gxnez9/children_and_amputees_bear_brunt_of_myanmars/ | 02:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: Trump selects Dave Weldon, former congressman with ties to vaccine critics, to lead CDC → https://www.statnews.com/2024/11/22/dave-weldon-cdc-director-trump-nominee/ | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 1168: Clinical update with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In his weekly clinical update, Dr. Griffin briefly discusses the E.coli outbreak associated with onions from McDonald’s before deep diving into the announcement of Robert F Kennedy Jr. nomination for Secretary of Human and Health Services with [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1168/ | 06:10 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p1122-h5n1-bird-flu.html | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.cdc.gov: CDC confirms H5N1 Bird Flu Infection in a Child in California | CDC Newsroom | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Marc Veldhoen on Mastodon: (news): JCVI advised that it was highly unlikely that vaccination in pregnancy would be cost-effective. The data was considered uncertain, but any improvement in data quality was unlikely to have a substantial impact on the cost-effectiveness of such a programme. → https://mastodon.online/@marc_veld/113531745428935943 | 11:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): It was all a lie.: So basically...they told us it was all over so that they could get us working and cranking that machine again. We are still getting sick and dying (especially vunerable populations), but they minimized it because we were all getting a little too close to [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19_Pandemic/comments/1gxxama/it_was_all_a_lie/ | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Retraction Watch: Weekend reads: When Dr. Oz appeared in Retraction Watch in 2014; Didier Raoult in the news again; superconductivity researcher out: Would you consider a donation to support [... want %more?] → https://retractionwatch.com/2024/11/23/weekend-reads-when-dr-oz-appeared-in-retraction-watch-in-2014-didier-raoult-in-the-news-again-superconductivity-researcher-out/ | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Heterozygous BTNL8 variants in individuals with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/1gy0pdt/heterozygous_btnl8_variants_in_individuals_with/ | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Rude behaviour spiked in Ontario classrooms after COVID-19 | Understanding how the COVID-19 pandemic and school shutdowns may have impacted classroom incivility in children and adolescents → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1gy2ukj/rude_behaviour_spiked_in_ontario_classrooms_after/ | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Marc Veldhoen on Mastodon: (news): On top: Booster vaccination was associated with a significantly lowered risk of long COVID compared with primary course vaccination only, with a pooled RR of 0.77 (95% CI, 0.65–0.92; P=0.004). → https://mastodon.online/@marc_veld/113533617179307264 | 19:18 |
| LjL | pwr22, https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2024/11/21/cdc-weighs-lowering-infection-protections-even-more/ | 20:41 |
| LjL | > In the non-binding vote, almost all members supported the idea that HCWs should not be given that voluntary right. | 20:41 |
| LjL | > The World Health Network has filed a supplementary complaint to the Health and Human Services Inspector General because their committee is supposed to have fourteen members with diverse backgrounds, but they don't. Experts in airborne transmission are still not voting members. | 20:41 |
| LjL | > Peg Seminario, the director of occupational safety and health for the AFL-CIO from 1990 to 2019, told me employers believe they know best and that workers "don't really know when they should be wearing this respiratory protection. And also, that it upsets patients." | 20:42 |
| LjL | OH NO N95 masks upset patients, let's not wear them and also not give you the OPTION of wearing them! | 20:42 |
| LjL | > [To go back to work with immunocompromised etc people] The committee recommended only a 3-day work restriction from the onset of symptoms, even if the HCW is still symptomatic, if they are improved and afebrile | 20:43 |
| LjL | this is all... something... | 20:43 |
| LjL | > There were also no recommendations to restrict ill HCWs from caring for high-risk or immunocompromised patients because "it is not feasible." | 20:43 |
| LjL | > Baum was the sole dissenting vote on almost all of these questions. Notably, she was also the only committee member who was masked during the meeting. | 20:44 |
| Tuvix_ | To put the AFL-CIO (a pro-labour federation of unions) into context, this comes amid a trend in the US to make it harder for unions to organize over the last 20 (and really closer to 40) years, reduce how effective they are, and scare employees at non-union facilities away from forming unions. | 23:32 |
| Tuvix | That quite is astonishing (a summary of what the employers are saying their staff do or don't know) for another reason: if the company's managers believe their staff don't know when to be wearing PPE where it applies to their job, that's a clear failing of said management to properly inform staff of both the involved regulation and, in a clinical setting, how to keep staff and patients safe. | 23:35 |
| LjL | and also if they're admitting their staff are incompetent, maybe that's not great for patients generally either | 23:36 |
| LjL | since "when to don PPE" is pretty low on the list of things healthcare workers ought to know | 23:36 |
| Tuvix | This isn't just a US-based problem either; anywhere that unions are involved in keeping employers honest, or at least in bare-minimum complinace with safety regulation, has the same issue, doubly so if the unions are the only thing keeping would-be-unethical employers from breaking the rules. | 23:36 |
| LjL | but aside from the union struggles anyway, i just think i notice this tendency that since with COVID the concept of forcing people *to* wear masks became acceptable (which i was okay with, given the situation), that opened the door to the concept that it's also acceptable to compel people *not* to wear masks | 23:38 |
| Tuvix | That too, but when the reasoning is along the lines of "we think (some of?) our patients don't like it" that's a clear case for more regulation, union invovelment, and so on. Employers and the upper-management really aren't the right people to be using that as a deciding factor. | 23:41 |
| Tuvix | It's not like we're talking about the safety involved in moving a patient (say, one with cognition problems or young enough not to understand) from an infectious isolation suite with all staff in full-body bunny-suits to a more standard room, if it's safe. Sure, the 3 year old or the mentally-challenged individual might not "like" the people in body suits, but it's better to risk everyone's life? Absurd. | 23:43 |
| Tuvix | Patients don't generally like getting blood taken either. Maybe we should stop doing that too, according to the same logic. | 23:43 |
| Tuvix | My point is more that if it's unsafe to remove the PPE, you don't do it. It doesn't matter if it's an N95 mask or a full-body infectious disease suit. You scale measures for the threat at hand. | 23:44 |
| LjL | definitely different priority from people who're looking at the bottom line vs people who're looking at patient health | 23:47 |
| LjL | priorities* | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Marc Veldhoen on Mastodon: (news): A cross-sectional study of the first consecutive 200 post-hospitalization Neuro-PASC (PNP) and 1,100 non-hospitalized Neuro-PASC (NNP) patients evaluated at a Neuro-coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) clinic between May 2020 and March 2023. → https://mastodon.online/@marc_veld/113534674103026405 | 23:47 |
| Tuvix | Yup. Life looks different to both people (and it should: execs have other things they're supposed to be dealing with.) The problem is when the various groups stop talking, or one of them (typically the group with power) decides to overrule despite an actual safety problem remaining. | 23:49 |
| Tuvix | Unions at least give the workers some power as a group (being able to bargin and, if needed, strike.) Without that the power balance can become very one-sided in ugly fights. | 23:49 |
| LjL | yes which you say is not a US-specific problem but i do feel compared to Europe at least, unions in the US lack a lot of power | 23:50 |
| LjL | like with strikes being so unusual | 23:50 |
| LjL | (they may be a bit *too* usual here to be honest) | 23:50 |
| Tuvix | Historically the power was in bargains _before_ they got to that point. Pro-businesses (read: primarily the American GOP party) interests didn't like that it was a thorn in some levels of upper-management, and solved the problem by slowly weakening unions over decades. | 23:51 |
| Tuvix | I don't think strikes were any less of headline news in the mid 20th century, but the power was in dragging both parties to the negotiation table in the weeks/months leading up to it. | 23:51 |
| LjL | our public transport strikes virtually every friday :P | 23:52 |
| Tuvix | It was health *care* realted, but I worked for a company that I'd later learn (when the person who had been between me & the owner took another job) was quite unethical. They dealt with the delivery and correction of medical billing claims (so, PHI information) and have recorded calls of the owner asking me to "bury" documents that federal law required us to keep. | 23:56 |
| Tuvix | I of course declined to do that and went on to somewhat liberally interpret the request to bury all unnecessary discussion of it. Not like there was anythinig I could do besides leaving (which I later did as the issues mounted.) | 23:57 |
| Tuvix | Erm, wasn't* health-care related (only heatlh information.) | 23:58 |
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