| Wikiwide | sicelo: Yes, date is wrong, somehow. As in, changing Time from "Settings->Date and time" does change date, but date stubbornly thinks that date's LWST timezone has to be half an hour ahead of "Settings->Date and time" timezone, regardless of which timezone is chosen in "Settings->Date and time" | 01:26 |
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| Wikiwide | date's LHST * timezone, not LWST - misprint | 01:27 |
| brolin_empey | For me, the date command uses a 24-hour clock with AM/PM. 0_o | 05:30 |
| brolin_empey | Are new BL-5J/BL-4J batteries still made? I am assuming that they are still available on eBay and whatnot but are they all years old by now? | 05:31 |
| Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: polarcells seem to still be made. | 06:17 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, says they're sold out atm | 06:18 |
| * Maxdamantus bought two last time, one's unused. | 06:19 | |
| Maxdamantus | or maybe they just don't use ebay anymore: http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_x1-00_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2092_0.htm | 06:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, it is on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Batteria-per-Nokia-C3-00-X6-00-5230-5800-XpressMusic-N900-5228-BL-5J/392245931311?hash=item5b53aded2f:g:tfUAAOSw8ihccNUB:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true | 06:26 |
| Maxdamantus | (probably easier to navigate there, and know that they deliver to your country, if you don't know German) | 06:27 |
| Maxdamantus | They delivered to NZ, so surely they will to Australia too. | 06:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~polarcell | 09:00 |
| infobot | [polarcell] BL-5J Replacement - Wannasee Electronic on Ebay or http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_n900_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2090_0.htm | 09:00 |
| Wikiwide | libc6 contains timezone data. Does it have any modifications between CSSU-Testing and CSSU-Devel? | 11:59 |
| Wikiwide | Under what circumstances is upgrading kernel likely to end up with a bricked device? Keep in mind that USB port is broken. | 12:03 |
| Wikiwide | No, multiboot is not installed. | 12:04 |
| unrest | if you have no way of altering the kernel line in the bootloader and if no safe kernel is still available | 12:04 |
| unrest | idk how maemo handles kernel updates or whether it retains a "failsafe" kernel | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont have uboot installed, it's written directly to nand space | 12:06 |
| Wikiwide | So, I should install uboot first? | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | so no, writing bad kernel will get you a brick, which requires usb to fix | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~uboot | 12:06 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~multiboot | 12:07 |
| infobot | well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 12:07 |
| Wikiwide | If I already have kernel power 2.6.28.10 installed, is it safe to install uboot? | 12:08 |
| Wikiwide | ~maemo-multiboot | 12:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | read the thread about uboot | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | since you have broken usb port it will be tricky to fix if you do something wrong | 12:09 |
| Wikiwide | I remember it in connection with having one device that doesn't work because of combination of multiboot, kernel upgrade and broken USB port | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | forget about multiboot | 12:09 |
| Wikiwide | Reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 12:12 |
| Wikiwide | HAM is the safest, regarding dependency hell. But it will not protect against empty battery... | 12:12 |
| Wikiwide | In HAM, kernel power 2.6.28.10 is the closest, but it is 53, not 52. | 12:15 |
| Wikiwide | I don't get it. I can find http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb , but I do not see anything like "u-boot-flasher for power kernel v52", yet | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | extras-devel. its not what you want. | 12:29 |
| Wikiwide | No idea. I just want to get system into working, consistent state where date doesn't disagree with GUI about what the timezone is. | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | how is wrong timezone related to kernel in your case? | 12:31 |
| Wikiwide | I know that current kernel is power v52, and ham has been nagging me for ages to upgrade to v53 or something. | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | v53 here | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont have uboot/multiboot, then i guess upgrading to v53 should just work? | 12:33 |
| Wikiwide | Wrong timezone might be coming from a disagreement between some libraries. I don't know. So I want to get ham's question out of the way and see that yes, with everything upgraded, date is still not consistent. | 12:33 |
| Wikiwide | Should just work... At what voltage is it safe to upgrade without having nand flashing interrupted mid-way? | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | since you are charging your battery outside, just charge it fully? | 12:35 |
| Wikiwide | Okay... Anything about free space on rootfs, homefs or MyDocs? | 12:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if uboot is installed it should just work with kp53 | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | swb: does order of installing uboot and kp53 matter? | 12:37 |
| Wikiwide | I have available : 44MB on /, 63MB on /home, 38MB on MyDocs. | 12:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't expect so, but IDK | 12:37 |
| Wikiwide | U-boot is not installed, at the moment. kp52 is installed. | 12:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's a separate package kernel-power-bootimg | 12:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | via HAM it would be "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 and Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)" | 12:38 |
| Wikiwide | I have kernel-power 1:2.6.28-10power52 , flasher and modules too. I don't have kernel-power-bootimg installed. HAM has U-Boot with kpv53. | 12:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | As for battery I have no idea, it's not easy to stay either because each battery is in a different state. Normally full to maybe half is recommended | 12:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | For any serious update/upgrade | 12:43 |
| Wikiwide | So, if I install u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg v52, it should work? | 12:44 |
| Wikiwide | Nay, apt-get disagrees. | 12:45 |
| Wikiwide | So, get full battery and just upgrade everything. | 12:48 |
| Maxdamantus | Do you have a second device to experiment with? | 12:52 |
| Maxdamantus | so you don't just brick your only one by doing something you don't quite understand? | 12:53 |
| Maxdamantus | (I wouldn't claim to understand it either; I've only ever flashed over USB, not from the device) | 12:53 |
| Wikiwide | Not sure. I might have one device with working USB port somewhere... | 12:53 |
| Wikiwide | I am not a fan of flashing in general. | 12:54 |
| Maxdamantus | (though I know how my boot sequence works, and it involves having a u-boot that looks first on the SD card, so I can always recover using that if my USB stops working) | 12:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, that's why you just install u-boot once and don't touch it again. | 12:55 |
| Wikiwide | Why cannot a device have only memory cards, instead of solder-on memory chips? | 12:55 |
| Maxdamantus | since u-boot should then look on SD/eMMC for configuration. | 12:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | speed | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | price | 12:56 |
| Wikiwide | I have no memory card, yet. And my eMMC doesn't have much space on it... | 12:56 |
| Wikiwide | Speed is a valid argument. Price isn't. | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | it is when you cut costs | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | (from manufacturer side i guess) | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | also in support costs/time | 12:57 |
| Wikiwide | I guess... | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | when people start buying cheapest sh*t sdcards | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | and they die after few weeks | 12:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | reliability ^ | 12:58 |
| Wikiwide | But support costs would have been minimised by using memory card for booting | 12:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Plus it wasn't a common idea until RPi | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | swb: many allwinner tablets used sdcard for rootfs | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | in the A10 era | 12:59 |
| Wikiwide | Quality... That's tricky. Don't factories have quality control these days? | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | but those were most often nonames, with no support from vendor at all | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | wikiwide: quality control nowadays is controlled by profits | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | and you dont get profits if users dont buy more | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | ie. cars breaking just after 3-4 years | 13:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ^ QC will have tolerance | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | so basically its 'push it out, sell them more' | 13:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Certainly in a consumer market it is. | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine there shouldn't be an inherent reason why it should be faster. | 13:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have just replaced some capacitors that where clearly fitted due to price. | 13:03 |
| Maxdamantus | If the interface used by the eMMC chip is better, why not just sell cards with that chip? | 13:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | To anyone else the device was throw away it's done 6 years | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | price/size | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | even seen emmc on a subcard with pins? | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | they are bulky | 13:04 |
| Maxdamantus | as in a NAND chip? | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | as in emmc expansion card | 13:05 |
| Maxdamantus | I thought the eMMC chip was already kind of encapsulated. | 13:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Swapped Decon for Jamicon, yer not the best replacements but there are other components that will likely fail first. | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | Maxdamantus: but you still have to connect to the system somehow | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | and if you want faster interface, it needs more lines | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=209 | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | an example | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | folks, this looks not all bad: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator#/ | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though the SoC... well nowadays you have to be happy if your SoC *allows* multiboot | 13:16 |
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