| arno11 | oh i know why | 00:14 |
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| arno11 | anyway, will have a look tomorrow | 00:15 |
| Wizzup | he left us hanging as to the answer :( :D | 00:42 |
| Wizzup | but yes, daedalus is also pretty good for me currently | 00:43 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: sorry :) the answer was we can't set prio bellow 0 without root | 10:29 |
| arno11 | *nice prio | 10:30 |
| arno11 | and we can't use limits.conf: high prio only works with RT kernel iirc | 10:32 |
| arno11 | (btw if i decrease prio to 2 or 8 from xsession, it works no problem) | 10:36 |
| arno11 | but i can't get why it works fine with mce | 11:01 |
| arno11 | *increasing prio to -9 | 11:05 |
| arno11 | is mce running as root ? | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | arno11: probably depends on how you invoke dsmetool | 11:18 |
| Wizzup | as which user | 11:18 |
| Wizzup | as yes, init.d will run as root | 11:18 |
| Wizzup | regardless of which service runs as root | 11:18 |
| arno11 | apparently yes and Xorg ofc as user. so it makes sense, we definitely can't use --nice high prio option in both init.d and xsession for processes running as user | 11:18 |
| Wizzup | I don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately | 11:19 |
| Wizzup | what user the* | 11:19 |
| arno11 | oops sorry my last answer was related to my own question | 11:21 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: 'I don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately | 11:45 |
| arno11 | you mean to use nice prio ? | 11:45 |
| Wizzup | yes | 11:47 |
| arno11 | ok but it matters iirc | 11:50 |
| arno11 | you can only set prio between 0 and 19 without root | 11:50 |
| arno11 | and between -20 and 19 with root | 11:52 |
| arno11 | and it seems to be confirmed toying with nice in xsession and init | 11:55 |
| arno11 | we already had the same issue with cmt_pulse btw | 11:56 |
| inky | so in conversations now we have jabber gabble and jabber haze | 14:03 |
| inky | which works better? | 14:03 |
| * inky wonders why bionic screen looks so gorgeous. | 14:05 | |
| dsc_ | use haze | 14:15 |
| donihalim | greetings everyone :) | 15:05 |
| sicelo | hey ;-) | 15:07 |
| donihalim | any N900 user here? whats your setup and usecase? | 15:07 |
| sicelo | at present the 'biggest' N900 user is arno11 :-) | 15:08 |
| sicelo | but there are also many of us | 15:08 |
| dsc_ | donihalim: yes, quite a few people :) | 15:09 |
| donihalim | hi sicelo, you are active here aswell :) | 15:10 |
| sicelo | yeah | 15:10 |
| donihalim | dsc_: just got this N900 few days ago, just curious how people use this device nowadays | 15:11 |
| donihalim | *typing on N900 running leste | 15:12 |
| sicelo | arno11 has ported some games to it. you can also make and receive calls when using Leste | 15:13 |
| arno11 | donihalim: hi, n900 user here. what do you want to know ? | 15:14 |
| sicelo | and here's arno11 joining - the most knowledgeable about use cases | 15:14 |
| donihalim | yes, just installing leste since this morning after bought a U3 sdcard. almost everything run smoothly | 15:15 |
| arno11 | ok nice | 15:15 |
| arno11 | sicelo: :P | 15:15 |
| donihalim | hi arnol1 just wanted to know what people use N900 for | 15:18 |
| arno11 | ah ok | 15:19 |
| arno11 | i use it for almost everything, excepting 'modern' web browsing which is quite impossible | 15:20 |
| donihalim | i was planning to use N900 as secondary phone for chatting | 15:20 |
| arno11 | ah nice | 15:20 |
| donihalim | i can use sms, matrix, irc and email just fine | 15:20 |
| arno11 | cool | 15:21 |
| arno11 | also sip, jabber, skype, facebook (not with all accounts) work | 15:21 |
| arno11 | telegram works fine | 15:21 |
| arno11 | even really fine | 15:21 |
| donihalim | as for browsing i mainly browse simple web found on wiby.me or from other web | 15:22 |
| donihalim | telegram really? | 15:22 |
| arno11 | ok so links2 gui should be perfect for that | 15:22 |
| donihalim | i should try that | 15:22 |
| arno11 | yes telegram-desktop :) | 15:22 |
| arno11 | for msgs, audio msgs, file transfer, calls | 15:23 |
| donihalim | yes im using links2 and surf2 sometimes | 15:23 |
| arno11 | ok | 15:23 |
| arno11 | links2 -g is cool (use ctl+shift+N) to disable compo for better perfs) | 15:24 |
| arno11 | for telegram: the config/settings are a bit tricky btw | 15:24 |
| arno11 | but once ok, it runs fine and smoothly | 15:25 |
| donihalim | wait let me install telegram asap | 15:26 |
| arno11 | donihalim: btw which leste img did you install ? | 15:26 |
| arno11 | for telegram-desktop: first launch could be very very slow depending of daedalus or chimaera img | 15:27 |
| donihalim | 240829 iirc, then dist-upgrade to devel | 15:27 |
| arno11 | ok so chimaera | 15:27 |
| donihalim | newer than that just keep freezing | 15:28 |
| arno11 | yeah that's known issue with swap | 15:28 |
| donihalim | what img are u using? | 15:28 |
| arno11 | good to know for 240829 | 15:28 |
| buZz | arno11: really only telegram-desktop? | 15:29 |
| buZz | i thought there was a telegram plugin for that thingy | 15:29 |
| arno11 | donihalimi: use the last daedalus img actually | 15:29 |
| arno11 | buZz: yeah but the plugin can only do messaging | 15:29 |
| buZz | oh right | 15:30 |
| donihalim | how is it compare to chimaera? | 15:30 |
| arno11 | on tg-desktop, every functionalities work | 15:30 |
| buZz | yeah i use that client on my desktop | 15:30 |
| buZz | its fine, but its electron | 15:30 |
| buZz | so sucks big time | 15:30 |
| buZz | (on resources) | 15:30 |
| arno11 | donihalim: compared to chimaera, perfs are quite similar excepting qt5 OOTB and swap is wrong | 15:31 |
| arno11 | but with few tweaks that's quite nice | 15:31 |
| arno11 | buZz: ah ok | 15:31 |
| buZz | its a bit sad that people release 'web apps' like this with electron, its a big waste of ram/cpu | 15:32 |
| donihalim | im still deciding on which os should i use, been testing pmos and sicelo give me great help on the process | 15:33 |
| arno11 | ok great | 15:33 |
| buZz | i like how well rounded maemo is, it feels like a alternative reality sometimes | 15:33 |
| buZz | the phoneOS from a world where users actually wanted to use linux | 15:34 |
| donihalim | i had to bought u3 sdcard since my class 10 sdcard cant handle leste | 15:34 |
| buZz | in n900? bizar | 15:34 |
| arno11 | yeah class 10 is really not leste friendly | 15:34 |
| donihalim | its 32gb sandisk extreme pro | 15:35 |
| buZz | just a bit slow perhaps, but how much faster can n900 access a faster card really? without overclocking the bus | 15:35 |
| buZz | quite sure i've used class10 cards for leste | 15:36 |
| buZz | well, on droid4 at least | 15:36 |
| dsc_ | buZz: tg is not electron, but maybe you are referring to another client | 15:36 |
| dsc_ | official one is Qt | 15:36 |
| arno11 | buZz: for sdcards that's just a question of perfs with small blocks | 15:37 |
| buZz | oh gee? then why does it suck so much | 15:37 |
| arno11 | u3 on n900 makes a huge diff | 15:37 |
| buZz | nice | 15:38 |
| dsc_ | buZz: i'd say its a really fast client, they used QtWidgets (so not QML) | 15:38 |
| dsc_ | anyway I dont use it, using the webif | 15:38 |
| sicelo | donihalim: i'm Maemo before pmOS. (although i've not made it official yet, i actually intend to exit as a maintainer in pmOS to focus on Leste and Debian) | 15:39 |
| donihalim | buZz: its really slow when i tried | 15:39 |
| sicelo | yes N900 is slow. there's no way it can get faster. but, still a very rewarding device to work on | 15:39 |
| buZz | sicelo: well | 15:40 |
| buZz | you could | 15:40 |
| buZz | 'buy' that neo900 motherboard | 15:40 |
| buZz | :P | 15:40 |
| buZz | and get ever so slightly faster | 15:40 |
| sicelo | no, there's no neo900 | 15:40 |
| buZz | they never produced any? | 15:40 |
| donihalim | sicelo: whoa thats surprising, i guess ill stick with leste for now | 15:41 |
| donihalim | since it already meet my needs | 15:41 |
| sicelo | heh, nice then :-) | 15:41 |
| donihalim | arnol1: just finished installing tg, whats should i do next? | 15:42 |
| arno11 | well, a bit long to explain :P | 15:42 |
| arno11 | but first launch will be very slow | 15:42 |
| arno11 | then you need to deactivate automatic img, audio, video download | 15:43 |
| arno11 | also deactivate opengl stuff from settings | 15:44 |
| sicelo | sounds like you could/should make a wiki page for it one of the days | 15:44 |
| arno11 | yeah i forgot to do it (as many other things btw) | 15:44 |
| arno11 | donihalim: you must create a /.config/alsoft.conf file | 15:46 |
| donihalim | took around 2min to launc | 15:46 |
| sicelo | my focus is still the somewhat low-level stuff - e.g. i would like to help work on getting upower/mce to work with N900/D4 fuel gauge quirks | 15:47 |
| donihalim | so i have to sign in first? | 15:47 |
| arno11 | donihalim: yeah and 2min is normal and will take around 40-60 sec for next launch | 15:48 |
| arno11 | you can create the alsoft file first | 15:48 |
| donihalim | whats the content of alsoft.conf? | 15:48 |
| arno11 | (it helps) | 15:48 |
| arno11 | [general] | 15:49 |
| arno11 | drivers = alsa | 15:49 |
| sicelo | arno11: btw i should also see if in daedalus we can import the latest iio-sensor-proxy ... that would enable screen blanking during calls on the N900 as well :-) | 15:49 |
| arno11 | periods = 6 | 15:49 |
| arno11 | sicelo: oh yeah indeed | 15:49 |
| arno11 | we also need to have a look @irtx btw | 15:50 |
| arno11 | ah scratch that, we are still on 6.6 | 15:50 |
| sicelo | i'll check the dependencies (iio-sensor-proxy). as long as the main libraries match what we have in daedalus, then we'll be fine | 15:50 |
| arno11 | ok | 15:50 |
| arno11 | donihalim: i forgot to mention that you should use long clicks in tg settings to avoid weird known app crash | 15:52 |
| sicelo | arno11: looks like we will be able. the libgudev version in daedalus matches, yay. | 15:53 |
| arno11 | first 3-4 tg-desktop launches are complicated, then it is ok and smooth | 15:53 |
| arno11 | sicelo: cool | 15:54 |
| donihalim | its $HOME/.config/alsoft.conf right? | 15:55 |
| arno11 | right :) | 15:55 |
| arno11 | needs reboot btw | 15:55 |
| donihalim | oh wait let me reboot | 15:55 |
| arno11 | you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness | 15:57 |
| arno11 | *on each boot | 15:57 |
| arno11 | (i really need to update some stuff in wiki) | 15:58 |
| donihalim | The phone keep freezing... | 16:21 |
| donihalim | >you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness | 16:25 |
| donihalim | I'll try that | 16:26 |
| donihalim | arnol1: whats the command exactly? | 16:26 |
| arno11 | donihalim: for freeze: check wiki and see if you have sdswap or emmc. you probably still have emmc swap | 16:34 |
| arno11 | switch to sdswap to solve the problem | 16:35 |
| arno11 | for the commands: sudo renice -n -9 $(pgrep Xorg) | 16:35 |
| arno11 | same for mce, systemui, hildon-desktop | 16:36 |
| arno11 | but first you should fix the freeze on boot | 16:37 |
| sicelo | mmm, we should ideally get these things fixed in the images themselves. | 16:38 |
| donihalim | Ah yes I'm still using emmc swap, thanks for pointing it out, let me switch to sdswap | 16:39 |
| * sicelo must test burning a new Leste image ... still rocking an old image, probably from beowulf days | 16:39 | |
| donihalim | arnol1: i see emmc swap is commented on fstab but i also see /swap, should i disable it after add /swapfile ? | 16:51 |
| arno11 | could you share your fstab ? | 16:52 |
| arno11 | apparently your fstab is ok btw | 16:53 |
| arno11 | you already have sd swap with /swap | 16:53 |
| arno11 | so no need to create a new swapfile | 16:53 |
| donihalim | 0x0.st/8mpw.txt | 16:54 |
| donihalim | here's my fstab | 16:54 |
| donihalim | just added the /swapfile | 16:55 |
| donihalim | is it zramswap? | 16:55 |
| arno11 | ok so you should comment the new /swapfile or delete it as you already use /swap | 16:56 |
| arno11 | no it isn't zrramswap | 16:56 |
| arno11 | *zramswap | 16:56 |
| arno11 | so you meant that you got freeze on boot with sdswap (/swap file) activated and emmc swap deactivated ? | 16:57 |
| arno11 | if yes, that's the first time i see this | 16:59 |
| donihalim | yes, this happen every boot unless i let it sit for sometime | 17:00 |
| arno11 | ah ok nice :P that's perfectly normal if it is not responsive for 1min after hildon-desktop appears | 17:01 |
| arno11 | you should not click anywhere during this time | 17:02 |
| arno11 | if it is unresponsive for more than 2min, something is wrong | 17:02 |
| donihalim | ah that make sense | 17:03 |
| donihalim | doing renice does make a different | 17:03 |
| donihalim | thanks again :) | 17:04 |
| arno11 | yeah | 17:04 |
| donihalim | lets back to telegram :D | 17:04 |
| arno11 | you can also set 500MHz for min freq | 17:04 |
| arno11 | and use boost mode if you want (see wiki) | 17:04 |
| arno11 | ok @telegram :) | 17:04 |
| arno11 | to log on tg-desktop on your n900 you need the andro/ios app to scan the QR btw | 17:06 |
| arno11 | (just one time) | 17:06 |
| arno11 | then the app (and the phone) will be not really responsive until you deactive the settings previously mentioned | 17:08 |
| arno11 | that's a real PITA to be honest | 17:09 |
| arno11 | but once the setup is ok, it rocks. just the launch time is a bit long but you can keep the app always in background if needed with no problem | 17:11 |
| sicelo | wonder if those settings cannot be pre-seeded? don't they live in .config ? or it would overwrite them? | 17:12 |
| arno11 | good question but iirc settings are not in txt file or so, but rather in weird format | 17:13 |
| donihalim | wait, i dont experience any lag even before disabling auto download | 17:13 |
| donihalim | but opengl already disable by default | 17:14 |
| arno11 | ah ok i see | 17:14 |
| arno11 | (that's the opposite on daedalus for the record) | 17:14 |
| arno11 | with the proper alsoft file, audio msgs should work perfectly in both directions | 17:15 |
| arno11 | same for calls but it works better with mobile data than wifi (but that's common issue with all platforms) | 17:16 |
| arno11 | and ofc depending of wifi setup | 17:17 |
| arno11 | animated stickers should also work fine | 17:18 |
| arno11 | same for file sharing, even with big files like movies | 17:18 |
| arno11 | i tried, it is cpu heavy but it doesn't affect responsiveness too much | 17:19 |
| donihalim | whoa im very impresed how well this turns out | 17:22 |
| donihalim | really, thank you very much | 17:22 |
| arno11 | NP :) | 17:23 |
| arno11 | glad to hear someone else has a rocking n900 | 17:26 |
| donihalim | as a user im glad people still maintaining N900 | 17:30 |
| donihalim | so im not really late to the party :D | 17:31 |
| arno11 | donihalim: :D oh i forgot something important btw...transitions.ini file | 17:31 |
| arno11 | (see wiki) | 17:32 |
| donihalim | many thanks arnol1, sicelo, and all :) | 17:32 |
| donihalim | let me check | 17:32 |
| arno11 | you should lowering radius stuff in [home] | 17:32 |
| arno11 | things will be smoother | 17:33 |
| donihalim | do i need reboot? | 17:33 |
| arno11 | no it should be ok directly | 17:34 |
| arno11 | *smoother when navigating through hildon desktop | 17:34 |
| Wizzup | donihalim: yeah we're working on making the n900 better through the work of arno, most of it just needs integration atm | 17:37 |
| donihalim | arnol1: it does make things smoother, anything else i should know? :) | 17:41 |
| donihalim | Wizzup: much thanks :) | 17:41 |
| arno11 | hmm let me check but i think that's ok now | 17:41 |
| arno11 | did you try boost mode btw ? (overclock) | 17:42 |
| donihalim | no i havent, does it consume more battery? | 17:42 |
| arno11 | it is (just) useful now for some videos or psx emulator or stuff like telegram calls | 17:43 |
| arno11 | no real battery impact honetly | 17:43 |
| arno11 | *honestly | 17:43 |
| donihalim | i'll try it then | 17:44 |
| arno11 | it is useful also for sip calls | 17:44 |
| donihalim | which govenor should i use? | 17:45 |
| arno11 | ondemand is ok | 17:45 |
| arno11 | but not perfect | 17:45 |
| arno11 | with the tweaks you already have, boost doesn't make any diff now in term of overall responsiveness btw | 17:47 |
| arno11 | just useful for cpu heavy stuff | 17:47 |
| arno11 | and multitasking | 17:47 |
| arno11 | i still try to figure out for almost 2 years now why i can easely overclock my fremantle to 1GHz-1.1GHz with no problem and not over 890MHz with Leste... | 17:50 |
| arno11 | @1GHz on fremantle with no trackers and no blur, perfs are still amazing for a such old device | 17:51 |
| donihalim | which file should i edit to change the min freq? | 17:53 |
| arno11 | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq | 17:54 |
| arno11 | should be done @each boot | 17:54 |
| arno11 | you can create a bash script for renice stuff and min freq btw | 17:55 |
| donihalim | do i need to change govenor each boot too? | 17:57 |
| arno11 | (sudo is needed) | 17:57 |
| arno11 | no ondemand is default one | 17:57 |
| donihalim | alright ill put everything into shell script, thanks again :) | 17:59 |
| arno11 | you're welcome | 17:59 |
| arno11 | let us know if you encounter any bug btw | 18:01 |
| donihalim | sure | 18:02 |
| donihalim | oh right, how can i make the virtual keyboard works on the conversation app? | 18:02 |
| arno11 | ah, it is supposed to work with last chimaera -devel updates iirc | 18:04 |
| arno11 | did you dist-upgrade to devel or ? | 18:05 |
| arno11 | if not, see wiki (SD Card and first boot) | 18:06 |
| donihalim | yes i dist-upgrade to devel | 18:06 |
| arno11 | ok so iirc there is a bug: you should open input settings and check if virtual kb is activated | 18:07 |
| arno11 | *text input | 18:08 |
| donihalim | its active and works on i.e terminal | 18:09 |
| donihalim | but i cant make it work on the conv app | 18:09 |
| arno11 | ok so you should ask dsc_ | 18:12 |
| arno11 | dsc_: hi ! ^^ | 18:12 |
| dsc_ | I'm actually not sure if Wizzup enabled vkb support in chimaera devel | 18:12 |
| dsc_ | for Qt, that is | 18:12 |
| dsc_ | donihalim: if you hang around I will have an answer later :P | 18:13 |
| arno11 | ah ok, i actually don't use my chimaera and can't check but i'm pretty sure it was working but maybe i'm wrong | 18:13 |
| dsc_ | (not today) | 18:13 |
| dsc_ | I made the vkb support but I dont know what mechanism enables it system-wide, Wizzup did it | 18:14 |
| arno11 | ok | 18:14 |
| donihalim | dsc_: sure i'll wait :D | 18:14 |
| donihalim | some of the button on my pk is hard to press, hard to type fast | 18:16 |
| arno11 | donihalim: not related but you should also have a look @gnome tracker tweak in leste wiki. could help qt5 apps on chimaera. | 18:19 |
| arno11 | have to go. bbl | 18:20 |
| donihalim | oh yes i've done it | 18:20 |
| arno11 | ah ok cool | 18:20 |
| kiva | donihalim: if use pk lot the hard keys will come less hard. If you another problems read this: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=101337&page=5 | 19:44 |
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