| tmlind | freemangordon: i just used v6.12 with the phy-mdm6600-usb patches on top with omap2plus_defconfig | 06:00 |
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| tmlind | freemangordon: not sure which mail from 2020 you're talking about.. interesting if it's just a serdev issue | 06:00 |
| freemangordon | tmlind: you are in CC to my reply from yesterday | 06:58 |
| freemangordon | "Re: [PATCH 1/6] tty: n_gsm: Add support for serdev drivers" | 07:00 |
| dsc__ | morn | 07:08 |
| mkf | arno11 thank you. | 08:06 |
| Wizzup | morning | 11:18 |
| dsc__ | Wizzup: look at this :) DISPLAY=:0 QT_IM_MODULE=him ./build/bin/conversations | 11:41 |
| dsc__ | https://plak.infrapuin.nl/tpxagu8c.mp4 | 11:41 |
| dsc__ | https://plak.infrapuin.nl/selif/tpxagu8c.mp4 | 11:41 |
| sicelo | that's really nice. | 11:43 |
| dsc__ | yes! | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | great | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | btw, I think you can switch languages from the vkb | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | with the hamburger menu thing | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | the four horizontal stripes | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | as long as you set a second language | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | very nice :) | 11:53 |
| Wizzup | that'll be a big quality of life improvement all around | 11:53 |
| Wizzup | esp. for non-hw keyboard devices | 11:53 |
| mkf | how well do leste compre to framentle in terms of power usage, and how long leste will be continued to support n900? | 12:28 |
| mkf | ... is n900 a dying dream? | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | we'll support for a few more years at least, I don't see why not | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | we've brought it this far | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | power usage isn't as good as fremantle, but it can still be improved, lack of time is the main issue | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | still, you can get 24+ hours np | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | I use a leste n900 daily | 12:33 |
| mkf | what are biggest missing parts in leste? | 12:34 |
| mkf | compared to framentle | 12:34 |
| Wizzup | maybe ussd and dtmf from telephony perspective, there are also just things that are a bit less polished | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | but fremantle these days is barely usable for anything but sms+calls, it's tls and browser are simply too old | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | leste doesn't have these problems | 12:35 |
| mkf | i suppose. | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | also, you can actually change/improve it :) | 12:36 |
| mkf | are the framentle games available on leste? | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | <- speaking from experience, I used fremantle n900 until I think April this year or so | 12:36 |
| mkf | or they were closed source | 12:36 |
| mkf | well only chess. others aint that fun. | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | some games are available, some were closed, others were open but haven't been fully ported | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | chess - https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/277 | 12:37 |
| mkf | i suppose i'll get another n900, this one i have got it's sdcard fired. | 12:43 |
| mkf | or is there is a way to figure? | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | you think the sd card slot is broken? | 12:43 |
| mkf | i just checked dmesg and it didnt had anything intersting | 12:43 |
| mkf | yeah. | 12:43 |
| mkf | i didnt had a n900, so i dont know what should happen (a notification? a mesg in dmesg?) when i insert an sdcard | 12:45 |
| Wizzup | hm, that really depends | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | you could just put leste on a sd card and tr yto boot it through u-boot | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | then you will know soon enough | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | but you can ls /dev/mmcblk* and see what you see | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | if you see two devices then the microsd card is found (you'll see more files anyway, for the partitions) | 12:54 |
| sicelo | mkf: getting a new N900 might not *generally* be a good idea. If you love the device though, then by all means do get one. it's still a fun device, as long as you understand and are willing to live with the shortcomings (cpu & ram) | 14:00 |
| g4rrgl3n0m4d | what about a n810 ? I have one of those could it be upgraded to maemo-leste ? | 14:02 |
| sicelo | not supported | 14:08 |
| sicelo | best for that is probably a modified i3wm, such as what's used in pmOS for N900 | 14:08 |
| g4rrgl3n0m4d | keeping it of parts then | 14:09 |
| mkf | sicelo: how come? cpu and ram isn't a problem for me (i already use rpi zero as my main computer) | 14:14 |
| mkf | also, if n900 isn't good, what's the recommended device in leste these days? | 14:21 |
| Wizzup | droid 4 is similar but has better specs | 14:22 |
| Wizzup | but I would suggest to try leste on n900 first and see if you like it | 14:22 |
| mkf | how much one would cost? | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | droid 4 wasn't too expensive but they are harder to find now, if that was the ask | 14:24 |
| mkf | frankley it's easier to find n900 than motorolla (or pinephone, which is impossible) phones in my country, is there another well supported phone? | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | there are a few others, but I would again recommend to try the n900 first -- have you established that the one you have is not supported? | 14:31 |
| mkf | yup. it only detects mmcblk0 | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | and the card is working? | 14:40 |
| Wizzup | might be dirty contacts | 14:40 |
| mkf | card worked on pi. | 14:42 |
| mkf | lemme clean the contacts | 14:42 |
| mkf | no effect | 14:44 |
| mkf | since microphone and camera too died | 14:44 |
| mkf | i assume this was previously repaired (poorly) | 14:44 |
| dsc__ | Wizzup: interesting, jib does work with vkb | 15:07 |
| dsc__ | it inserts text into the wrong widget though | 15:08 |
| dsc__ | but this should be trivial to fix | 15:08 |
| dsc__ | if anyone want to test some other apps... im sure some wonkiness still https://github.com/kroketio/qt5-platform-him/tree/master?tab=readme-ov-file#installation | 15:09 |
| dsc__ | (since i did not complete the port yet) | 15:09 |
| g4rrgl3n0m4d | 25 | 15:11 |
| g4rrgl3n0m4d | sorry wrong tab | 15:11 |
| dsc__ | happens | 15:12 |
| sicelo | mkf: if cpu and ram isn't a problem for you (like it isn't for me), then sure, getting an N900 is fine :-) | 15:54 |
| sicelo | if your n900 detects mmcblk0, then sounds to me like there's no problem. what exactly do you find to be a problem? | 15:55 |
| mkf | not finding mmcblk1 | 15:58 |
| tmlind | freemangordon: oh the file naming and location statement? sorry not sure which reply you mean.. anyways, johan said there's no need for the ngsm naming gsm it's legacy so just gsm | 16:03 |
| sicelo | ah, where mmcblk1 is the sd card? you're getting this under fremantle, or maemo leste? | 16:04 |
| sicelo | asking because .. under fremantle, there's a check in the kernel driver, which is dependent on the cover switch. if you lose the magnet related to that switch, then your sd card won't be detected. but on Leste, we nuked that check, so there shouldn't be a problem | 16:05 |
| mkf | fremantle. | 16:06 |
| mkf | i still have the sd card switch, but maybe magnet is broken? | 16:07 |
| mkf | so i should try? | 16:07 |
| sicelo | yes, try | 16:08 |
| sicelo | try with Leste, i mean | 16:08 |
| mkf | ok! | 16:09 |
| arno11 | sicelo: mkf: the problem is that last imgs for n900 are half broken | 16:16 |
| arno11 | not sure what is the best way to get a clean install actually | 16:17 |
| mkf | uh. | 16:18 |
| mkf | what's the last known good? | 16:18 |
| arno11 | maybe a img from 2024/07 and dist-upgrade to -devel (see n900 wiki) | 16:20 |
| arno11 | but really not 100% sure | 16:21 |
| mkf | okay 2024/01 is safe? | 16:21 |
| mkf | to be extra safe. | 16:21 |
| arno11 | probably, yes | 16:21 |
| arno11 | the upgrade to devel should take a while, like 30-40 min | 16:22 |
| arno11 | depending of your sd card | 16:22 |
| arno11 | hmm no, better try img from 2024/07 | 16:24 |
| sicelo | arno11: seems mkf is talking about the SD card not being detected ... that's unrelated to the Leste images. but I do understand in connection with having other problems | 16:25 |
| sicelo | mkf: btw how do you boot leste? you have u-boot installed? | 16:25 |
| mkf | yes, i'll follow the wiki. downloading 2024/07 img right now. | 16:26 |
| arno11 | sicelo: yeah | 16:26 |
| arno11 | mkf: ok | 16:26 |
| mkf | i dont have leste installed atm. | 16:26 |
| sicelo | when you had leste 'installed', it did start at least? | 16:27 |
| mkf | i didnt installed leste at all? o.o7 | 16:28 |
| mkf | i just thought it's not possible since it appears sdcard isn't detected | 16:29 |
| mkf | and i assumed that's because of faulty hardware. | 16:29 |
| mkf | sorry to be unclear. | 16:29 |
| arno11 | if you're lucky, that's just the magnet issue and leste will work like a charm :P | 16:30 |
| mkf | hopefully. :) | 16:31 |
| sicelo | indeed :-) | 16:31 |
| mkf | thanks for help arno11, sicelo. i am thankful for it. :D | 16:32 |
| arno11 | np | 16:33 |
| sicelo | yw. N900 is an awesome device. i now have three different device types capable of running Leste (N900, Librem5, Droid4), but N900 remains the most exciting of them all (to me) | 16:34 |
| dsc__ | freemangordon: cyrillic works for conversations @ vkb fyi :) see link above | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | dsc__: great job man! | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | tmlind: I meant the statement that serdev might have issues with tty hangup | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | lemme find the link | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | tmlind: this https://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2005.3/05620.html | 17:27 |
| freemangordon | "It looks like you may also have a problem with tty hangups..." | 17:27 |
| mkf | okay installed leste | 18:54 |
| mkf | slider is open, but it still opens 2.6 kernel | 18:54 |
| sicelo | mkf: your u-boot isn't kicking in | 18:55 |
| mkf | yeah. :( | 18:56 |
| mkf | i can see the early boot messages. so u-boot works, but it seems sd on SoC is dead? | 18:57 |
| sicelo | use this method since you're testing for now - https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900#Quick | 18:57 |
| mkf | broken micro usb ;_; | 18:58 |
| mkf | guess i'll buy another n900 then. | 18:59 |
| mkf | this is way too broken. | 18:59 |
| sicelo | yeah | 19:01 |
| sicelo | btw, if you think you can put in the work, you can also buy any other device for which mainline linux works, and then port Leste to it | 19:02 |
| gnarface | like a pinephone! | 19:05 |
| mkf | not available here :( | 19:05 |
| sicelo | e.g. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Smartphone | 19:05 |
| mkf | but i guess i can look for that too. samsung and xiaomi devices are available here, so. | 19:06 |
| sicelo | and no, i'm not sharing that link to draw you to pmOS. stay on with us! :-) | 19:06 |
| mkf | :P | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | leste it better if not the best :) | 19:06 |
| sicelo | sometime ago i wanted to try the Samsung A5 there ... if in your country you can get the OnePlus 6 or 6T, that could possibly be the fastest ever Leste device | 19:07 |
| sicelo | absolutely, leste is the best... and i'm someone who maintains a device in postmarketos (Nokia N900) and have daily run Mobian (thus Phosh) | 19:08 |
| mkf | since you these phones | 19:10 |
| mkf | which has the least hostile toolchain? | 19:10 |
| mkf | i recall htc phones had somewhat pleasent and standard toolchain, but htc is long dead | 19:11 |
| mkf | maybe toolchain isn't the proper word, flash toolset? | 19:11 |
| sicelo | mkf: no idea ... i haven't used them myself, and to be clear, maemo leste currently does not work on any of them ... that's why i said you can get one if you're willing to put in some work to port it to Maemo Leste. that said it shouldn't be too difficult for most of the phones in that table | 19:12 |
| sicelo | but in pmOS, the A5/A3 and others with msm8616 were hugely popular a while back ... thus it should be easy to get info about them. there's some bootloader thing for them too, lk2nd that supposedly makes stuff easy | 19:14 |
| sicelo | atm, OnePlus 6, 6T are probably the most popular. there's also Google Pixel 3a, which is drawing lots of attention as well due to having cameras supported. getting some of these into Leste would be cool | 19:15 |
| * dsc__ wants a Google Pixel 3a | 19:15 | |
| dsc__ | hmm maybe ill buy one tomorrow.. | 19:16 |
| sicelo | mkf: there's actually someone who started porting Leste to the Xiaomi Redmi 4 Prime. i don't know if they'll get around to sharing their work, but i'm sure they could give you some assistance (if you get that one). anyway i sometimes hear xiaomi phones may not be too easy to bootloader unlock | 19:17 |
| sicelo | dsc__: nice. they're not available in my part of the world, but does seem to be a great device indeed | 19:18 |
| dsc__ | yes I discovered this also :( | 19:18 |
| dsc__ | sicelo: btw do you know anything about porting leste to SBCs | 19:21 |
| dsc__ | Allwinner H618 in my case | 19:21 |
| dsc__ | https://linux-sunxi.org/H616 | 19:22 |
| sicelo | i think Wizzup can help you with that :-) | 19:22 |
| dsc__ | it says: | 19:22 |
| dsc__ | > The H618 is fully compatible from a kernel point of view, but does require extra support in U-Boot, TF-A and sunxi-fel. Support for that has been merged in mainline releases. | 19:23 |
| dsc__ | sicelo: yeah ok :) | 19:23 |
| sicelo | but overall it's ... (1) get a kernel, and a way to boot it, (2) slap a leste rootfs on top, (3) boot, and fix whatever few things that need fixing thereafter | 19:23 |
| mkf | oh i have a h618. | 19:24 |
| dsc__ | mkf: zero 2w? | 19:24 |
| mkf | zero 3 | 19:24 |
| dsc__ | ah the square one | 19:24 |
| mkf | yeah | 19:24 |
| sicelo | anyway i seem to recall Wizzup is well-versed with sunxi stuff, but might be wrong :-) | 19:24 |
| dsc__ | mkf: its a really cool SBC | 19:24 |
| dsc__ | sicelo: thx4info | 19:25 |
| dsc__ | i dont know where to start basically | 19:25 |
| mkf | apperantly openbsd supports it (just barely) so i got it. | 19:25 |
| dsc__ | get a kernel you say | 19:25 |
| dsc__ | mkf: btw, yesterday I found a similar board but another chipset with a faster CPU | 19:26 |
| mkf | like h618? | 19:26 |
| dsc__ | yeah different chipset, but same form-factor (as 2W) | 19:26 |
| dsc__ | orange pi zero 3 runs on A53, but this other one runs on A55 which is 30% faster probably | 19:27 |
| dsc__ | (cortex) | 19:27 |
| dsc__ | https://radxa.com/products/zeros/zero3w/ | 19:27 |
| mkf | intersting. | 19:27 |
| dsc__ | same price range | 19:27 |
| dsc__ | this chipset, RK3566, also has good mainline support I believe... | 19:28 |
| mkf | i've asked #linux-sunxi people a while ago, it seems h616/h618 is pretty much done mainlining | 19:29 |
| mkf | other than few hard parts | 19:30 |
| dsc__ | nice | 19:30 |
| dsc__ | so lets try it I guess | 19:30 |
| mkf | :D | 19:30 |
| dsc__ | lets try 6.13-rc3 | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | I have A33 tablet with leste in the drawer :) | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | but it is with linux 5.10 or something | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | maybe I shall upgrade it to chimaera somerday | 19:38 |
| Wizzup | 19:24 < sicelo> anyway i seem to recall Wizzup is well-versed with sunxi stuff, but might be wrong :-) | 20:31 |
| Wizzup | at least some years ago | 20:31 |
| Wizzup | I'd really like to make sunxi generic images again, as well as more specific ones | 20:31 |
| tmlind | freemangordon: oh ok yeah don't know anything about the issues with hangups | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | yeah I see | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | I will try to send patch that uses serdev, hoping the reply will be more useful than the one from Jiri | 20:59 |
| inky | folks if i want to have some qualcomm 410 device to run leste, what do i do? | 22:58 |
| inky | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Snapdragon_410/412_(MSM8916) | 22:58 |
| inky | it looks like lots of drivers work in mainline. | 22:58 |
| inky | i wonder what that person who was runnnig leste on xiaomi did. | 22:59 |
| sicelo | inky: i already explained the basic drill: (1) build a kernel and its drivers, (2) get a Leste image ... e.g. start from the generic arm64 or even pinephone image. (3) boot kernel + image, and fix whatever needs fixing. e.g. install appropriate mesa/xorg stuff, required firmware, etc. | 23:01 |
| inky | sicelo, i didn't notice anything. | 23:01 |
| inky | sorry. | 23:01 |
| inky | i can build kernel and drivers, i am doing it always. and right now i run my custom kernel on pinephone. | 23:02 |
| inky | that's not a problem. | 23:02 |
| sicelo | when you're past that, should be easy to add the device in arm-sdk, our image builder, so that you no longer need to start from some other device's image | 23:02 |
| sicelo | but yes, msm8916 devices should make nice Leste targets | 23:03 |
| inky | boot kernel + image - that part i don't understand. all phones have different partitions. or is it standardized? | 23:03 |
| inky | where to push and how the kernel? | 23:03 |
| inky | where to push and how the rootfs? | 23:03 |
| inky | is it by any means necessary to have a specific device tree or there are template device trees for these devices? | 23:04 |
| sicelo | well you need to figure out how android devices do this stuff ... there's usually a boot.img concept. | 23:04 |
| inky | yes please tell me more about it or at least what should i search for. that part is a dark forest for me. | 23:04 |
| * sicelo has no further info about it though, having only worked with N900, Librem5, and Droid4 is not using the standard Android way | 23:05 | |
| inky | you know i am someone who patched u-boot for some custom boards. | 23:05 |
| inky | i just need to understand some things, i have no data about those. | 23:05 |
| inky | okay. | 23:05 |
| sicelo | maybe start by looking at how postmarketOS does the boot.img stuff ... or Droidian | 23:06 |
| sicelo | anyway msm8916 devices have lk2nd as well ... have a look at that. don't take my word, but it sounds like a uboot-y kind of thing | 23:06 |
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