| Wizzup | https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-tmpfiles-purge-drama | 13:51 |
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| branon | why was /home created by tmpfiles.d is the real question | 14:02 |
| branon | isn't useradd supposed to do that | 14:03 |
| branon | > At least on the Debian side of things, /home is shipped in base-files | 14:07 |
| branon | so which distros let systemd create /home via systemd-tmpfiles is the real question | 14:08 |
| branon | this seems like a distro misusing a systemd tool | 14:08 |
| branon | oh he's on debian unstable, maybe i am misunderstanding something | 14:08 |
| branon | but still | 14:10 |
| branon | shipping tmpfiles.d/home.conf seems like a wrong decision by the distro | 14:10 |
| buZz | branon: remember the 'useradd' drama re: systemd? :D | 14:21 |
| buZz | TLDR useradd follows posix, so lets you add usernames that start with numbers | 14:21 |
| buZz | systemd isnt compatible with posix, any username starting with '0' will be root to systemd :D | 14:21 |
| buZz | (because lennard only tests with redhats adduser) | 14:21 |
| branon | i do remember :X if you create a user with a number as the first character, you still get warnings on current systemd distros | 14:22 |
| branon | disappointing | 14:22 |
| buZz | with useradd? | 14:22 |
| branon | think so | 14:23 |
| buZz | well | 14:23 |
| buZz | it never beats the 'rm -rf' issue with systemd :D | 14:24 |
| buZz | where lennard was suprised that 'rm -rf /directory' -doesnt- also recursively delete the '..' directory in there :D | 14:24 |
| branon | actually it's the `adduser` wrapper that warns | 14:24 |
| branon | adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured | 14:24 |
| branon | via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname' | 14:24 |
| buZz | sometimes i feel like he's developing on windows | 14:24 |
| branon | option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX. | 14:24 |
| branon | `useradd` will do it without complaint | 14:24 |
| branon | i never understood the difference | 14:24 |
| buZz | branon: right, useradd follows posix | 14:25 |
| buZz | adduser follows whatever redhat wants | 14:25 |
| kiva | Vivaldi Browser works with Pinephone Keyboard with Leste!! | 14:53 |
| kiva | although not easy install..needs some debencies first and first "welcome" start hang, but second start works! | 14:55 |
| kiva | have to start from terminal (does not install icon) it gives some error messages to terminal, but works. | 15:02 |
| kiva | the deb package was that arm64 package in Vivaldi web page..btw there is also arm package..so if somebody wants test it also with droid or N900 | 15:06 |
| kiva | actually it install nice icon to debian folder. | 15:10 |
| Wizzup | kiva the icon install is something we did as a generic solution I think | 17:36 |
| uvos | buZz: heh it really would not suprise me that mutch if lennard announced that he swiched his delopment platform to wsl | 17:58 |
| uvos | still systemd is over all an improvment over sysv or openrc | 17:59 |
| kiva | Wizzup: That generic solution works well. | 18:05 |
| * sicelo opens the article | 19:27 | |
| sicelo | meantime ... openrc itself is on life support, it seems | 19:28 |
| unic0rn | re systemd, it's usually convenience vs security | 22:41 |
| unic0rn | I'm on chromeos, linux container inside is a regular debian, but natively afaik chromeos is based on arch and uses upstart | 22:43 |
| unic0rn | so there can be a balance | 22:43 |
| unic0rn | systemd is a joke | 22:43 |
| branon | chromeos uses upstart? that's awesome, i always liked upstart | 22:57 |
| branon | one of the few canonical projects i wish they had kept going with | 22:57 |
| branon | also partial to runit as used in void linux, though it is quite bare bones with plenty of sharp edges | 22:58 |
| sicelo | fremantle used upstart too | 22:58 |
| moparisthebest | But then you miss out on awesome features https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/33349 | 23:17 |
| branon | 08:10:47 <branon>shipping tmpfiles.d/home.conf seems like a wrong decision by the distro | 23:21 |
| branon | i don't see how this can be refuted tbh | 23:21 |
| branon | systemd didn't force anyone to create /home with a utility called **tmp**files | 23:21 |
| moparisthebest | Technically, if you think about it, aren't all files temporary in the end? | 23:25 |
| dsc_ | that depends on if you use seagate barracuda HDDs or not | 23:34 |
| branon | for me it's WD blues | 23:35 |
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