| gordonDrogon | Possibly not a Devuan specific issue, but trying to iconify an xterm window by sending CSI 2t (CSI is Esc [) and it's not workig. I know it used to work a I used to use it a lot, but wondering if it's me or something else changed. Some CSIs DO work - e.g. CSI 4;10;10t will resize the window. Hmm.. | 12:59 |
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| gordonDrogon | using xfce4 is that matters... | 13:08 |
| djph | don't know, I use awesomewm *if* I startx in the first place | 13:09 |
| djph | what do you mean by "iconify" ? | 13:09 |
| gordonDrogon | same effect as clicking the square button on the title bar - puts the window into an icon state in the icon dock thingy on the side panel | 13:23 |
| gordonDrogon | it used to work, but it might be that I've not atually used it for some time - years (decade) | 13:24 |
| gordonDrogon | Uh - not the square - that's full-size, the underline. I have my window controls set to 'shade', iconify, maximise and close. | 13:25 |
| rrq | eg https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html | 13:30 |
| gordonDrogon | rrq, that's my refernce page too. | 13:32 |
| gordonDrogon | I always had an alias for 'qq' to echo ESC [ 2 t | 13:33 |
| rrq | have you tried with "XTerm*allowWindowOps: true" in .Xdefaults ? | 13:34 |
| gordonDrogon | many years ago it was the 'boss is coming key' when doing stuff in xterms - I've obviously not used it for 2 decades no, but hmm. | 13:34 |
| gordonDrogon | no, but some CSIs do work - like setting window size. let me test. | 13:34 |
| gordonDrogon | a-Ha. | 13:36 |
| djph | ohh, I don't think I ever used the dock thingie | 13:37 |
| gordonDrogon | it now works in an xterm but not xfec4-term, but I suspect that's because it needs to be restarted - xfce4-term is clever in that it's really only one process, so Ineed to quit all terminals. maybe I'll justfire up an xtem for this application and be happy... | 13:38 |
| gordonDrogon | thanks! | 13:40 |
| strato | I have a issue with minidnla, trying to install with apt-get install minidlna gets the error ... | 14:14 |
| strato | For some reasen, I can not transmit the next line right now | 14:14 |
| strato | Mayby this way /usr/bin/deb-systemd-helper: error: systemctl preset failed on minidlna.service: No such file or directory | 14:15 |
| strato | Oh, it was the slash | 14:15 |
| strato | But it seems like its trying to install as a systemctl | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | maybe you need to install systemctl | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | "systemctl" is a replacement command to control system daemons without | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | systemd. | 14:20 |
| strato | I Tought Devuan is free of systemctl ? | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | devuan is free of systemd | 14:21 |
| strato | Ahaa .... thank you | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | read the description for the systemctl package which is not part of systemd | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | I pasted a bit of it | 14:22 |
| strato | I am on the way to do just that | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | Conflicts: systemd | 14:23 |
| strato | systemctl is installed, it also say that in the error, so there must be something else. | 14:25 |
| strato | But minidlnad is running, so I have something to go on. | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | it's not just a root PATH problem, is it? Using "su" vs "su -" gives a different PATH | 14:45 |
| strato | I know. | 14:56 |
| strato | Suddenly it start working, after a while | 14:56 |
| strato | I am working on the config right now | 14:57 |
| strato | After a little configuring minidnla works as it should, I did not find out why the error came. | 15:22 |
| UsL | okay I guess I need help from the gurus in here.. | 16:52 |
| UsL | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1375054 | 16:52 |
| UsL | root@elendi:~# locale -a | 16:52 |
| UsL | C | 16:52 |
| UsL | C.utf8 | 16:52 |
| UsL | en_GB.utf8 | 16:52 |
| UsL | en_US.utf8 | 16:52 |
| UsL | POSIX | 16:52 |
| UsL | is the locale file wrong or do I need to update it in some other way? The manuals doesn't make me any wiser | 16:56 |
| djph | UsL: "wrong" in what manner ? | 17:05 |
| UsL | the paste | 17:05 |
| djph | what's wrong with it? you have C, en-us, en-gb and POSIX | 17:09 |
| UsL | no, the paste in the pasted paste link | 17:10 |
| UsL | ah, sorry, maybe you joined afterwards | 17:10 |
| UsL | I hide join/parts. | 17:10 |
| UsL | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1375054 | 17:10 |
| djph | so what do you think is wrong? | 17:11 |
| djph | oh, the bit where you're wanting LC_MEASUREMENT="sv_SE.UTF-8" | 17:12 |
| UsL | and some other LCs, yes. | 17:12 |
| djph | I think you need to use dpkg-reconfigure locale | 17:14 |
| djph | but you also seem to be *missing* sv_SE.utf8" in the first place | 17:15 |
| UsL | I did all that. It's not missing. | 17:16 |
| UsL | and if you saw that I had GB and US you should also see the SE one | 17:17 |
| djph | not in that paste of 'locale -a' up a few lines | 17:19 |
| djph | It's been forever and a day, but I'm 85% sure that if something's not in the 'locale -a' output, you can't actually get it applied in LC_* | 17:20 |
| UsL | christ | 17:22 |
| UsL | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1375058 | 17:23 |
| user71 | that is simply automatic spam quieting, nothing out of the ordinary | 17:30 |
| djph | ah, yeah, the bot quieting you before we can see all the output does change things :) | 17:32 |
| djph | so I retract the comment about you not having it setup | 17:32 |
| UsL | alright, so gremlins in the machine or what ever. BUT the command 'update-locale' will look for the file /etc/default/locale by default. You can almost see the logic.. | 17:58 |
| UsL | But it wont update it. Even though that is indeed the default locale's place. | 17:59 |
| UsL | but giving it 'update-locale --locale-file /etc/default/locale' which again is the default and the one that should have been updated.. DOES work. Go fucking figure. | 18:00 |
| eco | hello, i run this and now have broken system, about 722 dependencies were kicked off after this: apt purge geoclue* avahi* libavahi* cups* sane* exim* pcscd speech* . Could you say how to restore my system : xfce4 ? | 18:15 |
| gnarface | eco: did you try just running "apt-get install xfce4" ...? | 18:17 |
| gnarface | or better yet maybe "apt-get --no-install-recommends xfce4" | 18:17 |
| eco | yes, installed. but about 50 packages are back now. i still did not reboot | 18:18 |
| gnarface | well it probably needs some dependencies... | 18:18 |
| eco | i can show which garbage packages were removed after my extreme , there are not many useful packages | 18:19 |
| eco | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KdM2LlVe/IMG_20250516_192043.jpg | 18:21 |
| eco | yes. now I'm in xfce4 desktop. good. but still want to know which useful packages were removed | 18:22 |
| eco | for example, dont have xfce4-terminal | 18:23 |
| gnarface | eco: there should be a complete record in /var/log/apt/history.log* | 18:25 |
| eco | yes there is, but hard to choose necessary packages from those 722 | 18:28 |
| UsL | does "apt satisfy xfce4" work? Btw, does it work ion conjunction with --no-install-recommends ? | 18:31 |
| gnarface | eco: if you use "--no-install-recommends" it should have only pulled in strictly necessary packages | 18:33 |
| gnarface | at least, all the packages that the package manager was configured to include | 18:33 |
| gnarface | if you disagree with what it picked, you generally have to rebuild the package to make it work anyway | 18:33 |
| eco | I don't like avahi since i had systemd and avahi was slowing down boot of my system, as network manager did. so, dislike to avahi is from there | 19:46 |
| eco | i dug and i tracked this bad scheme: apt-cache rdepends libavahi-glib1 -- here i see gvfs-backends depends of libavahi-glib1. Then i see apt-cache rdepends gvfs-backends -- gimp, pcmanfm, gnome-core, thunar, gvfs are depending of gvfs-backends. So i cannot make my system clean of avahi | 19:50 |
| eco | i removed that service avahi but still dislike rhus package | 19:50 |
| eco | actually, after my purge of svahi, libavahi* -- many fonts were removed, firefox, filezilla, codeblocks, geany, unzip, xfce4-xkb-plugin, xfce4-terminal, xfcr4-power-manager-data, adwaita-icon-scheme, gnome-core, gimp, some python modules like python-openshot... | 20:25 |
| UsL | that's weird, I purged avahi and have firefox, geany, all of the xfce4 stuff, gimp and so on | 21:31 |
| gordonDrogon | avahi is used by CUPS as I found out recently - I purged it - cups didn't mind, but my printers stopped working and trying to 'discover' them the old fashioned way wasn't working, so I installed it again and viola printers started working. | 21:34 |
| UsL | i purged cups as well | 21:39 |
| djph | gordonDrogon: so, using cups-browsed then, huh? | 22:23 |
| gordonDrogon | I've no idea anymore. | 22:23 |
| gordonDrogon | once upon a time lpd was nice and simple and I even submitted some changes to it - it was the first C program I worked on. | 22:28 |
| gordonDrogon | back in about 1980. | 22:28 |
| gordonDrogon | it's all gone downhill since then.. | 22:28 |
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