| msiism | I'm getting a few errors from `apt-get update` about changes in the InRelease file for Daedalus. What did I miss? | 00:23 |
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| msiism | Here's what I get: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/03e8d1cd | 00:24 |
| gnarface | i think you need to add "--allow-releaseinfo-update" or something like that, just once | 00:25 |
| gnarface | i forget why exactly | 00:25 |
| msiism | Is there a new Debian release, maybe? | 00:25 |
| gnarface | not recently, this is old news, you must have not updated this system in a while | 00:26 |
| msiism | Maybe for two weeks. | 00:26 |
| greenjeans | yeah for sure, i've never seen the "InRelease" thing before | 00:26 |
| msiism | I remember having similar problems a while back. | 00:27 |
| gnarface | hmm, it was definitely longer ago than that that i remember this... unless something has changed more recently? i haven't updated mine in about 2 weeks too... | 00:27 |
| msiism | I mean, the reason I haven't updated the system is actually that I've been getting these errors since about two weeks ago. | 00:28 |
| greenjeans | I updated packages yesterday, didn't get any of that | 00:29 |
| msiism | Using deb.devuan.org in your sources.list? | 00:29 |
| greenjeans | nope | 00:29 |
| greenjeans | using gnlug here | 00:30 |
| greenjeans | super-fast | 00:30 |
| greenjeans | and deb.devuan.org has had issues for me for quite a while | 00:30 |
| greenjeans | but it's still just a mirror, anything changes in Devuan it should change at gnlug as well it seems... | 00:31 |
| msiism | Okay, using another mirror URL fixed it for me now. | 00:32 |
| gnarface | hmm, suspicious and disturbing... | 00:34 |
| msiism | As far as I remember, the problem a few months back was that deb.devuan.org had a few unmaintained or not properly configured mirrors in its forwarding list or some such. | 00:38 |
| msiism | greenjeans: Gnlug, is that meant for use by the general public? | 00:43 |
| greenjeans | yep, it's on the list of Devuan mirrors | 00:46 |
| greenjeans | works great for me here in the midwest US | 00:46 |
| greenjeans | but i've heard it's slow for folks in Europe | 00:47 |
| msiism | Oh right, there's a list of mirrors… | 00:47 |
| msiism | Maybe, deb.devuan.org has some DNS problems. I vaguely remember that also coming up. | 00:59 |
| gnarface | there is some known issue with certain ISPs doing DNS wrong with regards to ipv6 that has come up, though i'm not sure whether that's related to this issue | 01:02 |
| msiism | I'm now using a mirror that's more or less close to where I live. Seems to work just fine. | 01:04 |
| calcmandan | hi i'm new here. i recently traded my newer laptop with my wife's olderlaptop as her hdd failed. i put her usual flavor of linux | 08:24 |
| calcmandan | on the one i gave her, and after buying a new hdd for her old laptop, i was going to install debian but... saw an episode of | 08:24 |
| calcmandan | lunduke and how he recommended devuan. | 08:24 |
| calcmandan | so i'm doing the netinstall at the moment, since i am mostly in the cli . no need for a newer laptop | 08:25 |
| calcmandan | so far it's installing as i would expect. | 08:25 |
| gnarface | calcmandan: slow channel, but if you have questions and nobody answers right away just wait around. someone will usually answer the question eventually. | 08:29 |
| calcmandan | oh i know. just saying hi. | 08:29 |
| gnarface | hi :) | 08:29 |
| calcmandan | i was a kubuntu user for twenty years. | 08:29 |
| calcmandan | redhat before that. | 08:29 |
| calcmandan | never heard of devuan until lunduke brought it up | 08:29 |
| calcmandan | i wish there was merch like hoodies or something i can buy. | 08:30 |
| calcmandan | the laptop i gave my wife was running debian. main computer is a pi500 with standard os. | 08:32 |
| calcmandan | my workhorse machine is a pi 3b+. it does the majority. | 08:33 |
| calcmandan | time for bed. nice meeting you | 09:00 |
| gry | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' | 11:22 |
| gry | now what? | 11:22 |
| gnarface | gry: it's fine here and at google, likely change dns servers (or set up your own) | 11:23 |
| freem | FWIW I also have unresolvable deb.devuan.org, but devuan.org itself is fine. Using google's dns (yeah, I know, but I'm lazy and their IP is easy to remember) resolves it, though. So yeah, some DNS around are failing to do their job | 11:52 |
| cousin_luigi | freem: Some stale cache perhaps? I run a recursive nameserver on my router btw. At least I know whom to blame. | 16:00 |
| freem | I just have a super crappy router and never bothered to do my homework to deploy something sane on my own computer | 16:01 |
| golinux | If calcmandan returns please give him this link: https://devuan.myspreadshop.net/ | 16:58 |
| cousin_luigi | freem: Can't you install openwrt on it? | 17:04 |
| freem | no, it's not my router | 17:05 |
| cousin_luigi | oh, ISP-supplied? | 17:06 |
| cousin_luigi | I feel you. | 17:06 |
| rwp | gry, I have nightly crons that routinely get <<Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org'>> and I don't know why either. It's always a transient glitch and becomes resolvable after a while. | 17:07 |
| rwp | I am never awake and online to debug when the problem occurs. | 17:08 |
| freem | yes. Well, I could still make a proper network with a DMZ and al, but I'm lazy | 17:12 |
| Xenguy | golinux, I never bother with these hit and run types, but I might order some of the swag myself : -) | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | when I had an ISP router that I didn't like, I got them to tell me how to set it to bridge mode and I used my own router. The ISP router was then just a modem. | 17:17 |
| Xenguy | The devuan mug look good | 17:17 |
| Xenguy | *looks | 17:17 |
| freem | no need for asking anything really | 17:23 |
| freem | I could just setup a DHCP+DNS+whatever system on a beaglebone black, and neuter the "advanced features" of that device, that'd fix my problem. I'm just lazy. I could even do that with a VM or even directly on the computer. It's not even hard. | 17:24 |
| freem | but really, I only have the problem ever on deb.devuan.org, so... (I'm still using debian, just, no systemd ofc. And I'll keep using debian as long as I can't find out where the heck are debugging symbols for packages devuan replaces, and no, debian's won't do, the risk to waste many hours is too high) | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | freem 'apt-cache search dbg' | 17:28 |
| freem | yeah. As if I had not tried already :) | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | and the ones you want are missing? | 17:29 |
| freem | yep | 17:29 |
| freem | since debian moved debug symbols into another repo things are just hellish on this regard | 17:29 |
| freem | and devuan only overloading some packages adds to the confusion | 17:29 |
| freem | maybe I got something wrong, and had the correct stuff and all, but those who encontered problems with mismatching debug symbols in the past will likely understand why I'm wary | 17:30 |
| Hurgotron | how about asking here? Could be interesting to sort it out | 17:31 |
| freem | I already did, few months ago. | 17:31 |
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