| ted-ious | Is it really almost time for excalibur? | 00:32 |
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| ted-ious | It seems like not too long ago the 5.0.1 update was released. | 00:32 |
| ted-ious | Is there maybe more development effort happening in debian lately? | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | trixie has gone into the first phase of freeze. | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | it'll be a few months before it's released, and then excalibur will be released soon after that | 01:03 |
| ted-ious | fsmithred: After looking around abit I realized that it's actually been 2 years which is long enough that I shouldn't be surprised. :) | 01:40 |
| ted-ious | 2 years since the first release of daedalus I mean. | 01:41 |
| rustyaxe | I tried to install devuan on my new machine today, but didnt get very far as it seems right after isolinux it goes to graphics mode...and i cant hook to the vga, only sercons port :O | 01:45 |
| rustyaxe | if i can find a second usb stick, we can get around this (: | 01:46 |
| rustyaxe | Our friend debootstrap and all | 01:46 |
| ted-ious | rustyaxe: Or you can partition your install usb and put some temporary space on it for whatever files you need. :) | 01:49 |
| ted-ious | USB's are getting so cheap now that it's completely reasonable to use a 32 gb one for your installation iso. | 01:52 |
| ted-ious | Does anybody know if there is a way to partition a usb into 2 virtual drives so that you don't overwrite the 2nd one when you dd a new iso onto the 1st one? | 02:02 |
| ted-ious | I know there's some kind of multi-boot utility for selecting multiple iso's but I've read that it doesn't usually work for new releases until it gets updated. | 02:03 |
| rustyaxe | thats not mbr partition tables work | 02:06 |
| rustyaxe | you could use skip and offset creativity but it'll break eventually | 02:07 |
| rustyaxe | creatively | 02:07 |
| ted-ious | Right for 1 real drive it is dangerous to dd over the partition with an iso but if it was 2 virtual drives it would be safer I think. | 02:10 |
| rrq | you'd need to set up a device mapper that cover only the partition table and the free space, leaving the rest intact | 02:13 |
| rrq | or you can of course do it with manual fiddling as well; to save and resurrect the portions you want to keep intact | 02:14 |
| ted-ious | If you had a usb that was 8gb or more and you put your files partition at the last 1gb then most iso's wouldn't ever overwrite it right? | 02:15 |
| rustyaxe | theyll still overwrite the partition table at the start of disk | 02:16 |
| ted-ious | Most iso's are less than 4.7gb to fit on a dvd and I think even the really big ones for usb only are less than 7gb as far as I know. | 02:16 |
| rrq | any iso is as large as it is and typically expects to be from the first byte up... any other drive space is "free" | 02:16 |
| rustyaxe | if they dont, you wouldnt be able to access the partitions in the iso | 02:16 |
| ted-ious | rustyaxe: Right so like rrq said you would have to edit the partition table every time and restore the entry for your partition. | 02:16 |
| rrq | hmm the device mapper works in units of "sections" (512 bytes) so can't be used for opeing a partition-table-only hole | 02:39 |
| rrq | (a dos pt is in bytes 448-511 of mbr) | 02:39 |
| rrq | so you'll need to restore bytes 0-447 from the iso after partitioning | 02:41 |
| rrq | i.e working with a dm device with sector 0 and free space only; then restore bytes 0-447 after partitioning | 02:42 |
| ted-ious | So much for my idea of just keep creating a partition from 75% to 100% using parted. | 02:42 |
| rrq | yeah all partitioning utilities like to mess with those bytes nowadays | 02:43 |
| rustyaxe | if you restore the pt, you lose your new partitions | 02:46 |
| rustyaxe | or at least the information that lets the OS know where to find them | 02:46 |
| rrq | yes only restor bytes 0-447, then bytes 512-(end of iso) | 02:46 |
| rrq | leave the dos pt as partitioned at bytes 448-511 | 02:47 |
| rrq | (don't use gpt) | 02:47 |
| rustyaxe | ya gpt would make things even more insane (: | 02:47 |
| fsmithred | gpt has multiple partition tables - might that be useful? | 02:48 |
| rrq | .. i think "more insane" is a valid view | 02:50 |
| rrq | actually, a hybroid iso with a dos pt of 2 partitions would reside in the first 447+32 bytes, and all that should be kept intact | 02:51 |
| rrq | thus copy iso bytes 0-479 and 512-(end) after adding the free partition | 02:52 |
| fsmithred | there's a way to make a multi-boot iso, but I don't remember how. I could probably dig up the script. Not sure if that would be helpful. | 02:54 |
| rrq | (the partition record for the free partition is in bytes 480-495, and bytes 496-511 is the space for the 4:th partition record) | 02:54 |
| debdog | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html what is going on? a lot of FAILED messages today. | 10:38 |
| debdog | ddos? LLM projects scraping the net? | 10:39 |
| debdog | onefang: ping | 10:42 |
| onefang | Looking at it now. | 10:42 |
| debdog | thanks! | 10:42 |
| onefang | Looks like a newer Debian keyring and exim. I have a TODO item to sort that automatically, at the moment I have to update the version numbers it's checking manually. Should be good next scan. | 10:55 |
| onefang | That looks better. Though now we are in the middle of an update, so lots of warnings that'll go away soonish. | 11:02 |
| debdog | great! | 11:02 |
| ximon | is the linux-image-6.12.9-rt-amd64/unstable 6.12.9-1 amd64 kernel something like zen kernel from arch? | 11:56 |
| ximon | debian started kernel tweaking too?? ;( | 12:01 |
| ximon | by the way we had energy outage while my computer was in energy saving mode I hope this did not break anything luls | 12:02 |
| shtrb | what is the relation between debian packages and devuan , are they repackaged verified or just removing systemd chaos ? | 14:14 |
| debdog | shtrb: the vast majority are just the same packages. only a few are modified or totally banned | 14:17 |
| debdog | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 14:17 |
| debdog | there is a technical term for that, which I forgot | 14:18 |
| debdog | Amprolla https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3192 | 14:20 |
| shtrb | Thanks debdog , so if there is a problem from Debian itself, it might slip in | 14:24 |
| debdog | yes | 14:25 |
| debdog | and in many cases bug reports have to go to debian | 14:25 |
| shtrb | So a person can not report to devuan ? | 14:26 |
| debdog | debian has a bug tracker | 14:27 |
| shtrb | I know ;-) | 14:27 |
| debdog | for the things that get modified. | 14:27 |
| debdog | well, report it. if the report should be redirected to debian, someone will tell you to do so | 14:28 |
| shtrb | I see thanks, I was thinking avoiding Debian all togther, but thanks | 14:29 |
| debdog | debian are many people. | 14:30 |
| shtrb | Oh I know ;-) I'm using Debian since woody I think | 14:32 |
| debdog | what I was trying to say, with many of the debian people interaction won't be much different compared to the devuan folks | 14:37 |
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