| ximon | https://mirror.akardam.net/devuan-cd/devuan_excalibur/installer-iso/ is this website correct for devuan excalibur | 19:01 |
|---|---|---|
| ximon | would you say trixie better than bookworm on devuan | 19:04 |
| ximon | ;9 | 19:04 |
| ximon | ;) | 19:04 |
| debdog | mirror is legit, yes | 19:04 |
| devuanconsumer | i installed qjackctl and have no uninstalled it and reinstalled pulseaudio, but now when i play a youtube video i can't get any sound. I opened up pulseaudio volume control and it doesn't list my browser under playback. please help | 19:09 |
| devuanconsumer | when i connect headphones, the pulse audio interface doesn't detect them either | 19:11 |
| devuanconsumer | with my dell usbc to 3.5 mm adapter | 19:11 |
| ximon | excalibur iso has a error | 19:14 |
| debdog | devuanconsumer: have you checked whether PA is running? (ps -A | grep pulse) | 19:17 |
| devuanconsumer | my output is 6246 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio | 19:18 |
| debdog | looks good | 19:18 |
| devuanconsumer | i wonder if uninstalling qjackctl messed up some linked settings because i see all my sound cards in pulse audio interface but it just doesn't show playback ugh | 19:19 |
| debdog | oh, you meant "have *now unistalled" | 19:19 |
| devuanconsumer | yes | 19:20 |
| debdog | and pipewire is _not_ installed? | 19:23 |
| devuanconsumer | no | 19:23 |
| debdog | reboot solved it? | 19:27 |
| devuanconsumer | i purged pulseaudio and reinstalled it but its still not showing any playback, also rebooting didn't work | 19:27 |
| devuanconsumer | when i open a video or mp3 it doesn't show anything under playback either ugh. | 19:28 |
| n4dir | you sure you didn't edit .asoundrc in your users home after installing jack ? | 19:30 |
| debdog | maybe jackd is hogging the device? | 19:30 |
| devuanconsumer | i didn't | 19:30 |
| n4dir | also if you create a new user, does he have sound? | 19:30 |
| devuanconsumer | i'll have to try that, create a new user if i can't get this to work... | 19:30 |
| devuanconsumer | maybe its because alsa is stopped? | 19:31 |
| n4dir | well, if you do it right away, you willl know if it is a user setting problem or a system problem | 19:31 |
| debdog | aplay -l | 19:32 |
| devuanconsumer | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** | 19:34 |
| devuanconsumer | card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] | 19:34 |
| devuanconsumer | Subdevices: 1/1 | 19:34 |
| devuanconsumer | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 19:34 |
| devuanconsumer | card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] | 19:34 |
| devuanconsumer | Subdevices: 1/1 | 19:34 |
| debdog | looks good | 19:34 |
| debdog | devuanconsumer: use https://paste.debian.net/ to paste more than three lines | 19:35 |
| debdog | you should be able to talk again in a few minutes | 19:36 |
| debdog | try: "lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p" to see whether the device is in use somehow | 19:37 |
| devuanconsumer | playback works with a new user | 19:38 |
| devuanconsumer | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1001/gvfs | 19:38 |
| devuanconsumer | Output information may be incomplete. | 19:38 |
| devuanconsumer | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1001/doc | 19:39 |
| devuanconsumer | Output information may be incomplete. | 19:39 |
| n4dir | and you checked if .asoundrc is there? | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | how can i check that? I didn't see .asoundrc | 20:20 |
| devuanconsumer | ok its working now | 20:21 |
| fsmithred | devuanconsumer, 'ls -a' will show hidden files. Or maybe ctrl-h in file manager | 20:57 |
| n4dir | could also "ls .asou" then hit tab for autocompletion. If it doesn't it, isn't there, duh | 21:14 |
| ximon | is there a functioning iso for excalibur | 21:25 |
| ximon | ? | 21:25 |
| ximon | :D | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | ximon, it looks like the October iso is still there, and that works in some situations. New ones are coming soon. | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | what dysfunction are you encountering? | 21:36 |
| ximon | after the partioning it runs in an error | 21:37 |
| ximon | no idea what error | 21:37 |
| ximon | something with kernel | 21:37 |
| ximon | where is that october iso on which mirror? | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | should be on all the mirrors | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | in excalibur folder | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | devuan_excalibur/installer-iso/ | 21:39 |
| ximon | yes I tried that one that one gave me error ;( | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | which iso did you use and how did you boot it? If usb, how did you prepare the usb? | 21:39 |
| ximon | with linux mint tool | 21:40 |
| ximon | with a very old linux mint iso | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what that does | 21:40 |
| ximon | me neither | 21:40 |
| ximon | xd | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | can it make a multi-boot usb, or does it just use dd to image the whole usb? | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | when you're in the installer and it fails, you can drop to a shell and read the installer log | 21:41 |
| ximon | seems like only dd | 21:41 |
| fsmithred | ok, so that should work | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | I think also you need to choose expert install on that iso, so that you will be asked if you want to have merged /usr. You must say yes to that. | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | there's also a live-iso that I uploaded for some testing purposes. Not official, but it works. | 21:43 |
| ximon | wait before I install devuan can it compete with slackware? | 21:43 |
| ximon | I just have had very bad problems with debian arch void | 21:44 |
| ximon | in terms of performance | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | uh, I came to debian from slackware and one of its derivatives whose name I can't remember. | 21:45 |
| ximon | while slackware could play dota 2 with 120 fps stable arch debian just failed | 21:45 |
| ximon | salix? | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | no | 21:45 |
| ximon | zenwalk? | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | yes | 21:45 |
| ximon | I could never install it lol | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | I liked that one but I screwed up my install by adding too much stuff that wasn't in repo | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | so I switch to debian which has a very big repo | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | and now devuan | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | which is 99% pure debian | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/devuan_excalibur_6.0-preview-2025-04-02_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ if you don't mind using refractainstaller | 21:46 |
| ximon | lol expert install has a smashed screen in beginning? | 21:47 |
| ximon | :D | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | maybe you should set a different screen size | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | I've seen that on one of my laptops | 21:47 |
| ximon | ahhh uefi boot it needs | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | press e at the boot screen and add a line near the top with 'set gfxpayload=<something<' | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | oops. second arrow is backward | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | maybe 800x600 | 21:49 |
| ximon | ext4 or btrfs? | 21:49 |
| ximon | idk | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | is btrfs a choice in the installer? | 21:50 |
| ximon | maybe it is | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | do you know your way around btrfs? | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | I've never used it | 21:50 |
| ximon | I know they can check badblocks but not more idk if that is worth it | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | maybe do that on a disposable system to figure out what you want it to do | 21:51 |
| ximon | how to set up my / folder | 21:52 |
| ximon | lol | 21:52 |
| ximon | do I have to set it as a name? | 21:52 |
| ximon | ah I see | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | not familiar with debian-installer? | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | it's different from others | 21:53 |
| ximon | is /boot/efi valid? | 21:53 |
| ximon | in devuan? | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | valid for what? | 21:53 |
| ximon | fat32 | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | that's where the efi partition gets mounted | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it should be fat32 | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | and if you're using the netinstall, it should assign the right flags | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | if you're using the live installer, you get to do all that manually. | 21:55 |
| ximon | ye but expert install option does not | 21:55 |
| ximon | :D | 21:55 |
| ximon | damn :D | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure it'll get the flags right when you tell it how to use the partition | 21:56 |
| ximon | but when I try to assign the ext4 partion to / there are only options ext2 fat16 fat32 swap and bios boot lol | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | oh, check the sha256sum on the iso to make sure it downloaded correctly | 21:57 |
| ximon | 33e10ff247ffadc2f8e0a07e18ad803978149717fae1b022dedee28e50489238 | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_excalibur/installer-iso/devuan_excalibur_6.0-20241017_amd64_netinstall.iso.shasum | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | sha256sum -c "that file" | 21:59 |
| ximon | iso is ok | 22:02 |
| ximon | I try automated install | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | was the disk used for something else before? | 22:06 |
| ximon | yes | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that might work better | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | or it might tell you what the problem is | 22:06 |
| ximon | but I dont understand the url step | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | choosing a mirror? | 22:06 |
| ximon | IN order to perform an automated install, you need to supply a preconfiguration file | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | nononono | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | just let the installer do the partitioning. | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | what partition scheme did you have in mind? | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | all in one partition? separate /home? | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | encryption? | 22:08 |
| ximon | I see now the problem | 22:08 |
| ximon | lol | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | ? | 22:08 |
| ximon | It is trying to select my usb stick as a disk to install on | 22:08 |
| ximon | lol | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | ouch | 22:08 |
| ximon | lets see I think I got it | 22:10 |
| ximon | Unmerged /usd is not compatible with excalibur | 22:11 |
| ximon | I mean /usr | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | say yes to merged /usr | 22:11 |
| ximon | how can I say yes to usr? in partioning? | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | where did you get that statment about unmerged /usr? Wasn't there a place to answer yes? | 22:12 |
| ximon | no only continue and back | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | continue | 22:13 |
| ximon | then another error came | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | or did you alreay go past the question? | 22:13 |
| ximon | and another one kicked me out of installation | 22:13 |
| ximon | now I can select partioning again :D | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | you should be able to select the same partitions | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | and you don't need to do anything with /usr in partitioning | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | if you do, you will probably fuck it up | 22:14 |
| ximon | well I took the standart partioning but it said /usr :D | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | if you really selected expert install, it will ask you if you want merged /usr | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | I assume you either didn't select expert install or else you answered no to that question | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | note: expert install is not the same thing as manual partitioning. | 22:16 |
| ximon | so I shall use expert install again even though it lets me only select ext2? | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | you choose expert at the boot menu | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | I don't think it's on the first boot screen - you have to choose Advanced Options or something like that | 22:17 |
| ximon | partion 1 on /dev/sdb have been written but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change | 22:20 |
| ximon | probably because I wrote in first try /dev/sdb? XD | 22:20 |
| ximon | the boot usb?? | 22:20 |
| ximon | nevermind it worked it seems so at least | 22:21 |
| ximon | should /bin and /sbin be symlinks to /usr/bin? | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | are you doing encrypted install? | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | YES! | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | symlinks yes | 22:22 |
| ximon | ok but I do unencryptet install | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | ok | 22:22 |
| ximon | what are symlinks good for? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | ot | 22:22 |
| ximon | I selected yes anyways | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | it's good for getting the installer to install the system | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | there is no other choice that will work | 22:22 |
| ximon | which kernel I want omg why they so old? :D linux-image6.11.2 or the standard? | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | symlinks is what merged /usr is all about. Someone felt the need to rearrange the deck chairs. | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | linux-image-amd64 I would guess | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | it's a metapackage which will always pull in the latest stable kernel | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | well, "stable" once excalibur is stable. | 22:24 |
| ximon | generic driver movement or should I do it my self? | 22:24 |
| ximon | generic probably easier or? XD | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:24 |
| ximon | holy shit 6.11.2 kernel | 22:25 |
| ximon | which is best mirror? | 22:25 |
| ximon | deb.devuan.org? | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | that's a round-robin and will choose a mirror for you | 22:25 |
| ximon | use nonfree software` | 22:26 |
| ximon | `? | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | do you need it for wireless or graphics or anything else? | 22:26 |
| ximon | steam? | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think you need non-free and contrib | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | you got nvidia graphics? | 22:27 |
| ximon | no amd | 22:27 |
| ximon | I selected yes already | 22:27 |
| ximon | amd and intel btw :D | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | ok, it won't hurt anything | 22:27 |
| ximon | backports enabled? | 22:28 |
| ximon | or not | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | but debian (and hence devuan) gives you a choice to avoid proprietary code | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | no | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | there's no backports in excalibur until it gets released | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | as stable | 22:28 |
| ximon | package manager could not access deb.devuan.org luls | 22:29 |
| ximon | :D | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | and when it does, you should enable -security and -updates | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe go back and pick a mirror near you | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | or check your dns | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | brb | 22:30 |
| ximon | de.deb.devuan.org maybe | 22:30 |
| ximon | nice | 22:30 |
| ximon | none of the mirrors work :D | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | are you using wired or wireless connection? | 22:35 |
| ximon | yes | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | which one? | 22:36 |
| golinux | Meet time | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | I'll be along in a minute or two | 22:36 |
| ximon | happens when configuring apt | 22:36 |
| ximon | security updates automatic install? | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | no security updates in the testing suite | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | =excalibur | 22:37 |
| ximon | which one of the init systems is the most close to slackware? | 22:38 |
| ximon | :D | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | I have to go | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit | 22:38 |
| ximon | or which is most easiest? | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit is the most mature | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | it works | 22:38 |
| ximon | nevermind which is the best? so which has best performance | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | I've using linux for 25 years and hardly ever had to do anything with it | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | anything but systemd | 22:39 |
| ximon | ahh graphics driver not working | 23:01 |
| ximon | I ended up in a blackbox | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | install firmware-amd-graphics | 23:02 |
| ximon | cant find pkg | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | boot to rescue mode | 23:03 |
| ximon | wait | 23:03 |
| ximon | mirror is wrong | 23:03 |
| ximon | lol | 23:03 |
| ximon | where can I find sourcelist? | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | ? | 23:04 |
| ximon | can I somehow see somewhere what I need to plug in my sources.list | 23:12 |
| ximon | lol | 23:12 |
| ximon | it says http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/merged excalibur as no release file | 23:14 |
| ximon | lol | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | just one line in sources.list until excalibur is stable | 23:15 |
| ximon | http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/merged is this then even a valid link? | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur main | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | +more | 23:18 |
| ximon | thanks | 23:19 |
| ximon | I upgrade now | 23:19 |
| ximon | did it install desktop environment by default? | 23:19 |
| ximon | is there 0ad for debian? | 23:20 |
| ximon | sorry | 23:20 |
| ximon | devuan? | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 23:20 |
| ximon | how to activate sudo? | 23:20 |
| ximon | on runit | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | yes, everything in debian is in devuan except systemd | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | 1. make sure sudo is installed | 23:21 |
| ximon | yes | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | 2. configure /etc/sudoers or better yet, /etc/sudoers.d/some-file-you-name | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | or else just add yourself to sudo group (the nuclear option) | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | other option is to make that choice during the installation (i.e. no root account) | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | like ubuntu | 23:22 |
| ximon | how can I add myself to sudo group ?:D | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | su - | 23:22 |
| ximon | is sudo activated by default? | 23:22 |
| ximon | ahh thats what you ment | 23:22 |
| ximon | lol | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | give root password when it asks | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | adduser ximon sudo | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | then '/etc/init.d/sudo restart' | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | or else log ximon out and in again | 23:23 |
| ximon | it tells me I am not in the sudoers file | 23:24 |
| ximon | I have not even a graphical environment yet luls | 23:24 |
| ximon | :D | 23:24 |
| ximon | ahh works | 23:25 |
| ximon | nice | 23:25 |
| ximon | it tells me to use apt modernize-sources | 23:25 |
| ximon | shall I do that? | 23:25 |
| ximon | what is the reboot command as normal user | 23:26 |
| ximon | lol | 23:26 |
| ximon | ctrl alt delete? | 23:26 |
| ximon | hmm it has no desktop environment installed | 23:28 |
| ximon | how to install kde plasma in devuan? | 23:30 |
| ximon | the unbloated version? | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | I'm not very familiar with the kde package names | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | task-kde-desktop will give you the full bloated desktop | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | probably plasma-desktop or something like that. You can search for packages at pkginfo.devuan.org - it'll take wildcards in package names | 23:34 |
| devuanconsumer | has anyone ever setup qjackctl successfully on devuan? I'm having problems setting it up | 23:35 |
| devuanconsumer | OBS and audacity don't appear in the graph | 23:35 |
| ximon | does sddm come with plasma-desktop? | 23:37 |
| ximon | nevermind I just install it | 23:38 |
| ximon | but how to activate sddm in devuan | 23:38 |
| ximon | :d | 23:38 |
| ximon | on a runit | 23:38 |
| fsmithred | install it | 23:38 |
| ximon | thats all? | 23:39 |
| ximon | generally runit system need some symlinks or not | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | runit will use sysvinit scripts if there's no runit script for the service | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | and you can install runit-services to get some additional ones | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | default is just getty and a couple others | 23:40 |
| ximon | fsmithred so it does activate by default? | 23:40 |
| ximon | on reboot | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | or start sddm | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | /etc/init.d/sddm start | 23:41 |
| ximon | I want to see if that is real that would be awesome lol | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | I think I read about someone having trouble with sddm and switching to lightdm. | 23:42 |
| ximon | what kind of trouble? | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | I don't recall | 23:42 |
| ximon | sudo reboot is proper? | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | check the forum - I think that's where I saw it | 23:43 |
| ximon | I will just try it | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | reboot after adding sddm? not needed. just start it. | 23:43 |
| ximon | fsmithred LOOOOLLLLLL | 23:43 |
| ximon | YOU FUKIN GENIUSES ON DEVUAN :DDD | 23:44 |
| ximon | does sddm start in tty2? | 23:48 |
| ximon | if yes then I understand his issue | 23:48 |
| ximon | I dont need do anything manually right? | 23:48 |
| ximon | so I can remove sddm and install lightdm? | 23:48 |
| ximon | it will automatically disable and enable? | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | yes, in debian/devuan/ubuntu... runlevel 2 is default multi-user graphical | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | but if you're in runit you don't have runlevels | 23:56 |
| * Xenguy wonders if slim is still around ... | 23:56 | |
| fsmithred | if you switch to lightdm, you'll get a debconf dialog asking which one you want to use | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | I think slim is still in the repo. I'll check. | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | yes | 23:57 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, IIRC there was some issue with it at some point, but perhaps it was resolved | 23:58 |
| Xenguy | I started using slim when I first switched to Devuan and haven't used anything else since | 23:59 |
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