| Guest9095 | In a newky fresh devuan deadalus installation with no internet is there a devuan user guide accesible ? | 10:02 |
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| gnarface | Guest9095: the setup shouldn't be enough different from debian to need it | 10:03 |
| gnarface | you having a problem figuring something out? | 10:03 |
| Guest9095 | no. just curious, thanks | 10:03 |
| gnarface | if you didn't skip the networking setup step and it still isn't working, it's probable you're missing a firmware package for your network driver | 10:04 |
| Guest9095 | ok. thanks for the tip. | 10:05 |
| gnarface | (as of current stable they've moved from "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" as in debian, too) | 10:07 |
| Guest9095 | why would an attempt to install emacs fail? E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.36-9+deb12u9_amd64.deb | 10:20 |
| djph | forgot to update your apt cache, probably | 10:25 |
| djph | ... or that specific server in the debian round-robin is acting up | 10:25 |
| Guest9095 | djph .i forgot to add the last part of the error : E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.36-9+deb12u9_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:200::644 80] | 10:31 |
| Guest9095 | but why that would happen only in one package. apt get 64 packages ok needed by emacs | 10:33 |
| djph | so the file's not found. Eitehr (A) you're asking for the wrong package (so apt-get update) or (B) the server doesn't have it (e.g. mirror hasn't updated yet, wait a bit) | 10:33 |
| Guest9095 | djph, i dont mind updating, but i like being thorought and understand what i am doing. during installation i use a small net image so i guess me devuan system was mainly downloaded. so wouldnt that mean that i have the latest updated minor release of stable devuan? | 10:36 |
| ted-ious | Guest9095: You have to run apt-get update every time before you run apt-get upgrade. | 10:44 |
| ted-ious | update updates the package index. | 10:44 |
| Guest9095 | ted-ious, but i dont wont to upgrade. just install emacs. | 10:54 |
| n4dir | you do that before you install a package too | 10:57 |
| Guest9095 | so the command to install new packages is not apt get install ? | 11:00 |
| n4dir | that was not the point, but that you have to update, either with apt or apt-get or aptitude, before you install a new package or upgrade installed ones | 11:02 |
| n4dir | well: usually you want that. It is not like a "won't work" thing | 11:02 |
| Guest9095 | ok. so to install new packages the command is : 'apt get update ; apt get install foo' ? | 11:04 |
| n4dir | it is either apt or apt-get; not " apt get" | 11:04 |
| n4dir | these days most recommend to use apt (i got no clue why, nor do i care). Just saying | 11:05 |
| n4dir | you ran "apt update" in the past. Your example: in the meantime "emacs" got upgraded. If you don't run "apt update" before "apt install", the old version of emacs will be installed. | 11:06 |
| n4dir | makes any sense? | 11:06 |
| fsmithred | the old version won't get installed, but you'll get an error about it not being found | 11:07 |
| Guest9095 | ok. i guess i will alias 'apt install package' to 'apt update ; apt install package' | 11:07 |
| n4dir | yo, could do that | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | I wouldn't do that | 11:07 |
| n4dir | lol | 11:07 |
| n4dir | to me it is just muscle memory to first of all run "apt-get update" | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | then you have to wait every time you want to install a package | 11:07 |
| n4dir | ah, good point | 11:08 |
| n4dir | (and in the middle of the night. respect) | 11:08 |
| Guest9095 | ok. thank you! | 11:09 |
| rdelannay | Guest9095: you can run "man apt", so you can read the apt manual page and the description of the "update" command ("q" to quit the man page). It helps me a lot in the past! | 11:10 |
| Guest9095 | rdelannay, thanks. but i dont think that man page 'links' update and install ,or at least dont mention any info on the frequency that those two command must be used together. | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | that depends on the frequency of packages being updated in the repo | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | if you're running the testing branch, you could do the update several times a day if you installed packages several times in a day. | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | for stable, if you haven't updated in a few days, you might need to do it before installing anything. | 11:18 |
| Guest9095 | fsmithred, i installed the daedalus netinstall iso | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | and you chose a mirror during the install? | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | if your package cache is updated and you get an error, it could be that the mirror is in the middle of updating itself. Trying again after a few minutes should work. | 11:20 |
| Guest9095 | fsmithred, so the frequency by which those command must be paired depends among other things on the 'suite' installed. | 11:20 |
| fsmithred | if it's a dns problem, then you need to change your dns or maybe pick a specific mirror that works | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | for you | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 11:21 |
| Guest9095 | s/command/commands | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | not sure about today, but in the past week, excalibur was getting around 100 upgraded packages each day | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | as everyone scrambles to get their changes in before version freeeze | 11:22 |
| fsmithred | that's the testing suite | 11:22 |
| ted-ious | Guest9095: Are you running the testing version or stable? | 11:22 |
| fsmithred | he said daedalus (stable) | 11:23 |
| Guest9095 | can a new user has that knowledge? even man page dont mention anything related. instead it says 'An update should always be performed before an upgrade or dist-upgrade.' | 11:23 |
| fsmithred | yes, that's the best advice | 11:23 |
| ted-ious | Ah I see now. | 11:23 |
| ted-ious | Guest9095: The stable package index doesn't usually get changed more than a few times per day and you are probably safe if you only ran it in the morning for example. | 11:24 |
| fsmithred | so after you got that error, did you try again a little while later? | 11:24 |
| ted-ious | It's not like all the packages change every few hours. :) | 11:24 |
| fsmithred | are you still getting the same error? | 11:24 |
| Guest9095 | fsmithred, after update emacs installed ok. | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | cool | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | you installed without network? | 11:32 |
| fsmithred | or did you use a mirror for the install? | 11:32 |
| fsmithred | apt -s upgrade | 11:35 |
| fsmithred | will tell you if any installed packages have upgrades available | 11:36 |
| fsmithred | -s is --simulate | 11:36 |
| Guest9095 | fsmithred, i installed from network | 11:37 |
| Guest9095 | apt -s uograde is cool thanks. | 11:39 |
| Guest9095 | is there a similar way in stable to know if stable has been updated and thus i must run apt get uodate ? | 11:40 |
| Guest9095 | s/uodate/update | 11:41 |
| djph | yes, every time you get an error when installing something that "should" be in the repos (or every time you upgrade) | 11:48 |
| Guest9095 | ok. | 11:51 |
| Guest9095 | a minor issue . xdm when i log in it displays the debian logo. | 11:52 |
| fsmithred | what to become a maintainer of a package? | 11:52 |
| fsmithred | what/want | 11:52 |
| fsmithred | desktop-base is up for grabs if anyone wants it | 11:53 |
| rrq | the xdm one would be /usr/share/X11/xdm/pixmaps/debian.xpm of the xdm package | 11:54 |
| Guest9095 | of xdm ? yes sure i could at least try. but i dont have experience. where do i start from? | 11:54 |
| fsmithred | start with rrq's suggestion and just change the image file | 11:55 |
| fsmithred | I think I can find a devuan .xpm logo | 11:55 |
| fsmithred | Here's one for xdm. I have no idea what it looks like. https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics/xdm/devuan-logo-xdm-bw.xpm | 12:01 |
| Guest9095 | ok | 12:03 |
| Guest9095 | i save it locally. | 12:03 |
| rrq | xdm uses the X11 resource xlogin.Login.logoFileName | 12:08 |
| Guest9095 | rrq thanks. noted. i transfer the devuan logo to /usr/share/X11/xdm/pixmaps/devuan-logo-xdm-bw.xpm | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | Guest9095, if it doesn't work, maybe it needs to be renamed to debian.xpm. (That's a guess) | 12:14 |
| Guest9095 | fsmithred, i will try to change the x11 resource suggested by rrq | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | good | 12:16 |
| Guest3100 | ok. xdm look beautifull with the devuan logo. | 12:47 |
| Guest3100 | i will later in day write down the steps in the devuan wiki. | 12:49 |
| Guest3100 | i am thinking of using that as a chance to also make a try to maintaning xdm | 12:51 |
| Guest3100 | thanks all for the xbm file and suggestions and advices. | 12:51 |
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