| metala | I'd assume CDs are better at this, not just the larger capacity, but just a week ago I've dumped into a tarball, a disc that was recorded in 2000. | 00:05 |
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| paculino | They are rather fragile though | 00:06 |
| paculino | Maybe HDD is worse... Mine supposedly can survivev 2.5 m drop | 00:07 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I have cd's from the 90's and they're still readable. it always depends where and how you store them. | 00:09 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | the MO's are heat-resistant up to a certain degree I think. hdd's lose date rather quickly when they're getting hot. can't tell how it is with ssd's today. | 00:10 |
| metala | also the writing speed. I remember writing on 4x instead of 8x, because it had a darker pattern on the filished disc. | 00:10 |
| paculino | I've used cassettes older than that | 00:10 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | hah...cassettes...I fondly remember my trusty old C64 | 00:11 |
| paculino | Disks are relatively easy to scratch when putting in. An HDD can be dropped, but its connector won't be a major risk of damage. | 00:11 |
| paculino | What's the most foolproof data storage medium when it comes to not breaking? | 00:12 |
| paculino | Paper? Engraved metal? | 00:12 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | also, I mostly wrote my CD's with 4x speed back in the day. getting the data over network wasn't the quickest way and the buffer on older cd-burners always ran out when the network couldn't keep up. | 00:12 |
| * metala thinking how can you drop your PC case... or maybe it's about external drives? | 00:12 | |
| [NoClan]GoAway | with ssd's, shock isn't as much as a problem as it was with hdd's | 00:13 |
| paculino | metala, I am thinking of external since it is comparably transportable to a cd or dvd | 00:13 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I think long term the MO's were a good solution, followd by tape drives. | 00:13 |
| paculino | Someone on hackaday resurrected really old tape | 00:13 |
| paculino | The polymer offgased until it was gum, but some magic solvent chemistry fixed that somehow | 00:14 |
| plasma41 | Edging into #devuan-offtopic territory | 00:14 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | *hides quickly | 00:14 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | btw, a little bit more on-topic: is installing nvidia-drivers more of a difficult thing or is it rather straight forward? | 00:15 |
| paculino | A friend had to use something unofficial to get it working perfectly, but could do that within a year of leaving Windows and Mac. | 00:16 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | sounds doable, then. | 00:17 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | just asking because on the "other" distro it comes pre-installed... well, choices are good. | 00:18 |
| UsL | one time my usb drive with an hdd in it, swapped places with my mian ssd drive. This was back on ascii. I was very confused the os had no problems with the usb drive being /sda and my "os" disk sat there on /sdb | 00:27 |
| UsL | s/mian/main | 00:28 |
| UsL | since then I never boot the computer with the usb drives attached. I want the os disk to always be /sda | 00:29 |
| paculino | That happens if the efi boot order has usb boot earlier and you reboot with it attached | 00:29 |
| paculino | At least, it does that for me. It may not be the intended or typical behavior and be a quirk of acer instead | 00:30 |
| UsL | this is on a dell latitude d620 | 00:31 |
| UsL | d.o.b. 2006 | 00:31 |
| UsL | : ) | 00:31 |
| paculino | Wow, have you had to replace anything in it? | 00:32 |
| UsL | drive and memory | 00:32 |
| paculino | My old lenovo has a broken sata port but should still work | 00:32 |
| paculino | Oh | 00:32 |
| UsL | it's maxed out at 4 GB RAM. And the disk got replaced with a ssd. It's amazing how well it fares. It can even do youtube in browser at 480p. Sure gets hot though. | 00:34 |
| UsL | youtube in mpv is a breeze | 00:34 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | it's nice to see "older" hardware is still suitable when using Linux compared to the "other" OS which basically needs new hardware with every newer version... | 01:09 |
| gnarface | [NoClan]GoAway: we have all the same nvidia packages in the repos as debian, for the most part they should work if you install enough of them. you're only recommended to skip "nvidia-persistenced" because it's usually broken and not very useful anyway, and i think there's one other that relies on systemd but you won't run into trouble without it if you never try to sleep or hibernate the system | 01:27 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | thanks, I'll look into it upon further setting up the system. | 01:30 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | and no, sleep mode and/or hibernation isn't a thing here... | 01:31 |
| gnarface | it's spread across like 25 packages though, so the leading cause of missing functionality is just forgetting some of them | 01:32 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | good to know. | 01:39 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | again, thank you all for chiming in and helping to get things running. | 01:40 |
| rustyaxe | O_o after recent devuan (testing) updates, if i plug my android phone into devuan, my audio mutes in xfce.. wut is this? | 02:08 |
| gnarface | heh, well that's interesting | 02:08 |
| gnarface | pulseaudio or pipewire? | 02:08 |
| rustyaxe | pipewire. pa is forbidden here | 02:09 |
| gnarface | i gotta assume it's a pipewire "feature" | 02:09 |
| rustyaxe | battery died so plugged it into computer to charge | 02:09 |
| rustyaxe | radio 9444 1.0 0.1 1132688 30876 ? S<l Feb20 27:22 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog | 02:09 |
| rustyaxe | O_o why is that installed again? wtf | 02:09 |
| gnarface | ah, could be a pulseaudio feature then | 02:10 |
| rustyaxe | something drug in pulseaudio and clobbered pipewire me thinks | 02:10 |
| rustyaxe | Well thats an explaination at least | 02:10 |
| onefang | My guess is something thinks your phone is a pair of headphone, so it switches to headphone mode. | 02:10 |
| gnarface | my first guess would be that [something] recognizes the phone's onboard audio as a USB gadget, then tries to make it the new default soundcard | 02:10 |
| gnarface | yea, something like that | 02:10 |
| gnarface | android magic | 02:11 |
| hiddendjinn | new here, glad your project exists | 03:13 |
| hiddendjinn | got two machines up on devuan 5 today | 03:14 |
| plasma41 | hiddendjinn: Nice! Let us know if you have any questions | 03:16 |
| hiddendjinn | i did, but i used my ability to web search to resolve it | 03:17 |
| hiddendjinn | i first tried openmandriva...pretty picture, but not easy to get a broadcom wifi card working on it | 03:18 |
| hiddendjinn | on this, i just did the same thing you would do on debian | 03:18 |
| hiddendjinn | which is: apt install broadcom-sta-dkms | 03:19 |
| hiddendjinn | btw, both those machines? apple hardware | 03:19 |
| hiddendjinn | iMac 14,3 and MacBook Pro 9,2 | 03:20 |
| hiddendjinn | even got the nvidia drivers working properly on the imac | 03:21 |
| hiddendjinn | beyond pleased with my experience | 03:21 |
| hiddendjinn | brb | 03:31 |
| hiddendjinn | ok, was just making sure nickserv worked as expected | 03:33 |
| hiddendjinn | plasma41: as i was saying...i'm beyond pleased with the distro | 03:37 |
| hiddendjinn | actually, i do have a question... | 03:47 |
| hiddendjinn | i'm trying to get Discover(KDE Plasma) to be able to search the repo | 03:48 |
| hiddendjinn | seems there's a misspelling on the sources that it reads(capitalizes daedalus where the server doesn't) | 03:48 |
| hiddendjinn | how would i fix that? | 03:48 |
| golinux | hiddendjinn: Why won't this work for you? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html | 03:55 |
| golinux | Why fight KDE? | 03:56 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: you sure it's not capitalized in your sources.list? | 04:14 |
| hiddendjinn | it's not capitalized in sources.list | 04:17 |
| hiddendjinn | further, i can't seem to launch software-properties-qt | 04:18 |
| gnarface | weird | 04:19 |
| gnarface | do you have lines for daedalus-updates and daedalus-security in your sources.list too? | 04:19 |
| hiddendjinn | what's your preferred pastebin? i'll post it | 04:20 |
| gnarface | paste.debian.net | 04:20 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354229/ | 04:21 |
| gnarface | "sources.list (END)" isn't actually in that file, right? | 04:22 |
| gnarface | line 19? | 04:22 |
| gnarface | otherwise it looks fine | 04:23 |
| hiddendjinn | no, it's the bottom of the copy, from a less command in terminal | 04:23 |
| hiddendjinn | yeah, line 19 was just in the terminal when i copied the entire konsole window contents | 04:24 |
| hiddendjinn | apologies for my laziness | 04:24 |
| gnarface | software-properties-qt might be missing packages, not sure which exactly | 04:24 |
| gnarface | some qt dependency libs probably | 04:25 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354230/ | 04:26 |
| hiddendjinn | there's my attempt at running software-properties-qt | 04:27 |
| hiddendjinn | btw, i'm running plasma on x11 | 04:27 |
| hiddendjinn | not wayland | 04:27 |
| gnarface | hmm, try installing qt5dxcb-plugin | 04:27 |
| gnarface | just a guess | 04:28 |
| Codeleaf | Interested in migrating my Bookworm install to Devuan. Anything to watch out for? | 04:28 |
| gnarface | Codeleaf: make sure you have a kernel, a udev, and a bootloader that knows where your kernel is before you reboot | 04:28 |
| Codeleaf | Noted. | 04:29 |
| gnarface | (it'll be fine but on previous releases there have been some issues like that) | 04:29 |
| gnarface | more likely you might just get some dependency loops | 04:30 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354231/ | 04:30 |
| hiddendjinn | different error | 04:30 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: did it come with some lib* packages? maybe kde has to be restarted... | 04:30 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: make sure you're fully updated too, use apt-get if you have to | 04:31 |
| hiddendjinn | didn't come with any lib* packages | 04:31 |
| hiddendjinn | and i'm fully upgraded | 04:31 |
| hiddendjinn | made sure of that before i asked questions | 04:31 |
| hiddendjinn | i'll do it again, though | 04:31 |
| gnarface | wait, what happens if you set DISPLAY=":0.0" | 04:31 |
| hiddendjinn | using sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade | 04:31 |
| gnarface | for that pkexec command | 04:32 |
| hiddendjinn | apt update declares "All packages are up to date" | 04:32 |
| hiddendjinn | no difference | 04:33 |
| hiddendjinn | $ DISPLAY=":0.0" pkexec software-properties-qt gives same output | 04:33 |
| gnarface | likely still just missing packages, but you might be able to work around it by setting that XDG environment variable when KDE starts | 04:33 |
| gnarface | that could be a red herring though | 04:34 |
| hiddendjinn | that feels like a red herring, fwiw | 04:34 |
| hiddendjinn | brb, going to log out and back in, letting the display manager restart | 04:35 |
| hiddendjinn | no joy | 04:37 |
| gnarface | hmm.... | 04:38 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: which display manager? | 04:39 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure just logging out and back in will restart it fwiw | 04:40 |
| hiddendjinn | slim | 04:40 |
| hiddendjinn | i'm not a big fan of sddm | 04:41 |
| hiddendjinn | even though i like plasma | 04:41 |
| gnarface | i would recommend lightdm on daedalus, though i'm not sure that's related to the problem | 04:41 |
| hiddendjinn | i don't mind lightdm much | 04:41 |
| hiddendjinn | i just liked how slim(default) looked | 04:42 |
| rrq | some stackexchange reply suggested using "sudo -i software-properties-qt" from command line ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404500/software-sources-not-accessible-from-discover | 04:42 |
| hiddendjinn | rrq: got new error, pasting | 04:43 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354232/ | 04:44 |
| hiddendjinn | that last line looks significant | 04:45 |
| rrq | right; where are those templates? | 04:46 |
| rrq | "dpkg -L $package" | 04:46 |
| rrq | + guesswork | 04:46 |
| hiddendjinn | a little background...my most intensive experience with linux is with slackware | 04:47 |
| gnarface | could this be caused by missing python packages now? | 04:47 |
| hiddendjinn | i've been a casual user since i left slackware behind...15 years ago | 04:47 |
| hiddendjinn | i got tired and went, "i just want this to work without me having to screw with it" | 04:48 |
| rrq | looks to me like KDE and/or Discover keeps their own "sources.list" via that "templates" notion | 04:48 |
| rrq | presumably their existing templates are in a directory installed with the package.. perhaps software-properties-qt (?) | 04:49 |
| rrq | or whichever package owning softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py | 04:49 |
| rrq | find package with: dpkg -S softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py | 04:50 |
| rrq | find list of files in package with: dpkg -L $package | 04:50 |
| rrq | perhaps "aptsources/distro.py" is a better start point | 04:51 |
| rrq | there may be templates for Debian/bookworm or Ubuntu/something | 04:53 |
| rrq | and a big gaping hole where Devuan/daedalus should be | 04:54 |
| rrq | (the easy way is to use apt-get and apr-cache and friends on the command line :) | 04:56 |
| gnarface | what's noteworthy here is i have a daedalus install with KDE near me that isn't having any problems with Discover though | 04:56 |
| hiddendjinn | this is a fresh install | 04:56 |
| hiddendjinn | and flatpaks are showing no problem | 04:57 |
| hiddendjinn | but debs, not so much | 04:57 |
| gnarface | i note that it has software-properties-gtk installed instead of software-properties-qt installed, not sure if that's relevant. and it's got no flatpacks... | 04:57 |
| hiddendjinn | installing software-properties-gtk | 04:57 |
| hiddendjinn | seeing if using that will help matters any | 04:58 |
| gnarface | i can't say i've actually used either | 04:58 |
| gnarface | Discover is not having problems populating the update list | 04:59 |
| gnarface | i didn't have to change anything to get it to just use the sources.list contents correctly as is | 04:59 |
| hiddendjinn | admittedly, i purged xfce | 05:00 |
| hiddendjinn | after installing kde | 05:00 |
| gnarface | only thing different i can see is that it's the product of sequential release updates, not a fresh install, and it's using lightdm | 05:00 |
| gnarface | i think kde was the only WM ever installed on it, but not sure | 05:01 |
| hiddendjinn | let me reboot | 05:01 |
| hiddendjinn | i did a default install, then decided i wanted kde plasma instead | 05:07 |
| hiddendjinn | used tasksel to install kde plasma, then purged xfce and thunar | 05:08 |
| hiddendjinn | i know a _little_ about debian | 05:08 |
| gnarface | was this happening before you purged xfce and thunar, or do you not know? | 05:10 |
| gnarface | i still think some dependencies could have gone astray | 05:10 |
| rrq | hmm seems like some files /etc/*-release are involved | 05:12 |
| rrq | not sure what that notion of "distribution template" is; which file(s) it concerns or what they should contain. | 05:14 |
| rrq | anyone knows where that notion is documented? | 05:15 |
| hiddendjinn | gnarface: didn't try to use discover before | 05:16 |
| hiddendjinn | so wouldn't know | 05:16 |
| hiddendjinn | let me see if this issue is on the macbook, where i didn't purge anything | 05:16 |
| hiddendjinn | yep, having same issue | 05:18 |
| hiddendjinn | home doesn't list packages | 05:18 |
| hiddendjinn | and settings doesn't let me fix the sources | 05:19 |
| hiddendjinn | same behavior on both machines, one of which hasn't had an purges | 05:19 |
| gnarface | hmm | 05:19 |
| hiddendjinn | s/an purges/any purges/ | 05:19 |
| hiddendjinn | i could try to add xfce back to both, and go with lightdm and see what happens then | 05:20 |
| hiddendjinn | brb rebooting imac | 05:22 |
| rrq | with web search I'm finidng lots of not finding distribution template, but I can't find any documentation for the notion | 05:26 |
| rrq | seems to be a python thing | 05:26 |
| rrq | or possibly invented together with some puthon utility(ies) | 05:27 |
| rrq | they just forgot to document it :( | 05:27 |
| rrq | seems invented 2012 or so | 05:29 |
| hiddendjinn | no joy | 05:37 |
| hiddendjinn | synaptic works as expected | 05:38 |
| hiddendjinn | so does apt on the terminal | 05:38 |
| hiddendjinn | but discover? not so much | 05:38 |
| hiddendjinn | system is useable | 05:38 |
| hiddendjinn | but that issue is annoying me | 05:38 |
| gnarface | it should work, really | 05:48 |
| rrq | what does its man page say? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | here's the thing, on this one i have here, i don't seem to have a problem with it trying to keep its own broken sources separate from what's in sources.list to begin with | 05:49 |
| gnarface | so whether or not the tool to change them works never came up | 05:49 |
| gnarface | if you can figure out why that's different, then maybe you'll find the key to fixing it | 05:50 |
| rrq | is there no documentation? | 05:51 |
| gnarface | for Discover? i don't know... | 05:51 |
| hiddendjinn | like i was saying, the system works, and i'm able to use synaptic as a gui or just apt in a shell | 05:53 |
| hiddendjinn | so this isn't going to prompt me to stop using | 05:53 |
| hiddendjinn | but i'd love to figure out why this isn't working | 05:53 |
| hiddendjinn | and to fix it | 05:53 |
| hiddendjinn | brb, just changed something and want to apply it | 05:55 |
| hiddendjinn | it isn't just a discover issue | 06:06 |
| hiddendjinn | software-settings-qt and software-settings-gtk drop the same errors | 06:06 |
| hiddendjinn | and thsoe two control more than just discover | 06:07 |
| hiddendjinn | gnome's gui software browser also uses it | 06:08 |
| rrq | apparently they need that "distrbution template" that noone seems to know what it is | 06:12 |
| rrq | some file or files somewhere | 06:13 |
| onefang | It's a template for distribution, that no one has turned into something real to be distributed. | 06:13 |
| rrq | you know what it is? | 06:13 |
| hiddendjinn | installed gnome-software to see...yep, it's also messed up | 06:13 |
| onefang | No clue, I was making a joke. | 06:14 |
| rrq | :) | 06:14 |
| hiddendjinn | guys, i'm seriously ready to try anything, particularly if it helps more than just me moving forward | 06:15 |
| hiddendjinn | but i'm running into a wall regarding what to try | 06:15 |
| rrq | gnarface: with your working Discover, could yo strace that to see where it finds the template file? ... maybe it's /usr/share/python-apt/templates ? | 06:15 |
| hiddendjinn | rrq: yeah, if his discover is working, i'm wondering what he has that i don't | 06:16 |
| hiddendjinn | a tarball of his /usr/share/python-apt/templates would be greatly appreciated | 06:26 |
| hiddendjinn | gnarface: you think we could see that? | 06:27 |
| rrq | hmm there's also something named "appstream" used by plasma-discover... do you have a dir /usr/share/metainfo/releases/ with xml files in? | 06:42 |
| rrq | that has some words at https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/ | 06:44 |
| rrq | it also mentions /usr/share/metainfo/%{id}.metainfo.xml. | 06:44 |
| rrq | .. for repositories | 06:45 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354238/ | 06:50 |
| hiddendjinn | /usr/share/metainfo/releases/ doesn't exist, though | 06:50 |
| hiddendjinn | https://paste.debian.net/1354239/ | 06:52 |
| hiddendjinn | i'm getting off, pick this up in 12 hours when i'm back on shift? | 06:53 |
| rrq | cheers | 06:53 |
| hiddendjinn | but yeah, i want to resolve this | 06:53 |
| hiddendjinn | if it gets resolved, maybe we can put it into an upstream package somewhere so that it won't affect users going forward | 06:54 |
| TorC | On the subject of drive ordering, I remember well that bug from after SATA became a thing and before UUID fstab. Grub had one opinion on whether IDE drives came first, and Ubuntu kernel/fstab had the opposite opinion. | 10:34 |
| TorC | Troubleshooting that as a newbie was... interesting, though trying reinstalling windows to get it working did have the effect of pushing me to give up windows cold turkey, so in retrospect it probably helped me. | 10:35 |
| TorC | On the whole, I think UUID or label, as user unfriendly to read as the former may be, was the right solution. | 10:36 |
| hagbard | Oof, synaptic, aptitude, and a few more apt-related packages are currently not installable in Devuan testing due to libapt-pkg7.0 beeing missing. | 12:47 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | hi. theres a eu keyboard layout. it is an us layout but you can use hotkey to create nearly all characters from all european languages wich is totally awesome! problem is i can set thi only for x, but i want it for tty to. any help? | 13:49 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | i tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but theres no such thing like eu or european or something | 13:50 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | loadkeys eu gives me: loadkeys: unable to open file: eu: No such file or directory | 13:51 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | apt search eu keymap and also apt search european keymap gives nothing | 13:52 |
| nik | which keymap do you want to load with "eu"? | 13:53 |
| nik | fr, de, es, at ...? | 13:54 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | nik: https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download.html#tab1 | 13:54 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | no it is an us layout as i wrote... | 13:54 |
| hagbard | The other layouts are choosable in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. But they are under the "Other" menu item. | 13:54 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | hagbard: no its not there | 13:55 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | as i also wrote theres no such thing like eu or european | 13:55 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | check this out, this is how it works: https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/layout.html | 13:56 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | use the tabs over the image to see the hotkeybinding (needs javascript sadly) | 13:56 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | or just see that image here_ | 13:57 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | :https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/pics/layout.png | 13:57 |
| nik | On the page you sent there is a tab "Xmodmap". download that and use it in your xsession with "xmodmap - < Xmodmap_alpha" | 13:57 |
| hagbard | Hmn, i don't know what's in that package you have linked. Maybe there's only an layout for X in there, and not for kernel/tty. | 13:57 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | nik: yes i know and that comes by default | 13:57 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | but i want it on tty thats in my first question | 13:58 |
| nik | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/479673/changing-the-keyboard-layout-mapping-on-both-the-console-tty-and-x-in-an-x-con | 14:00 |
| nik | 1. answer may work | 14:00 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | phew ok... | 14:02 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | do i need an xserver first or only the xkeymaps file something? | 14:02 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | beacause i dont have a xserver | 14:03 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is empty but i can run setxkbmap eu and it works... | 14:11 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | on an computer that hav a xserver | 14:12 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | that answer on tack explans not what to to. to i have to put some file xsetkbd uses for setting eu somewhere different? to i have to feed some script with it? | 14:17 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | i have /etc/default/keyboard but when i run setxkb eu nothing changes in that file... | 14:19 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | setting XKBLAYOUT="eu" and reboot | 14:21 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | i dont think that will work... | 14:21 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | where are the keymap files are stored that dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration displays? | 14:22 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | ok strange! i set XKBLAYOUT="eu" in /etc/default/keyboard and reboot | 14:24 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | in the login mask i can use now AltGr and a to type an ä, the others works too (ö,ü,ß...) but as soon as i log in it does not work anymore... o0 | 14:25 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration i can choose Generic 105-key PC and then it asks to keep the current keyboard layout in /etc/default/keyboard, wich is set to eu and i choose yes. then i can choose "Key to function as AltGR". no matter what i choose here it does not work | 14:30 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | for "Compose key" i set "No compose key" | 14:30 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | why is the keymap working before log in on tty but not after? | 14:47 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | had disconnect | 14:55 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | when you use AltGr o tty after login the tty breaks | 14:58 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | wtf?! | 14:58 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | i got it! | 15:11 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | first edit: /etc/default/keyboard and XKBLAYOUT="eu". Then run dpkg-reconfigure locales and use en_US.UTF-8, beacuse i had POSIX in locale. After that run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration choose "Generic 105-key PC" choose Yes when it asks "Keep current keyboard layout in the configuration file?". Then choose "Key to function as AltGr:" Right Alt (AltGr) and no compose key. | 15:18 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | after taht reboot | 15:18 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | nik hagbard thank you for trying to help me | 16:59 |
| GuestKeyboardtty | bye | 16:59 |
| someone21 | hello there | 17:02 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | greetings again. | 18:13 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | in regards to the sort order of the drives, I put in a Knoppix LiveCD (DVD actually, the 9.3 version) and I get my drives in the right order. kernelversion is something like 5-16.12-64. | 18:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | it's different with Manjaro (6.12.4-1), there it's jumbled up again, also with PeppermintOS (6.1.0-22). | 18:33 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | back to the "boot error" problem when installing: I tried the Debian 12 netinstall iso, there I can boot straight up into the install window, no errors there. | 18:34 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | if Devuan's installer is based off of the Debian one, then there's some difference. | 18:38 |
| hiddendjinn | [NoClan]GoAway: it closely resembles the old debian installer | 19:04 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | ah... "closely" :) | 19:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | ok, so the systemd version got rid of the error with the cdrom then | 19:15 |
| golinux | [NoClan]GoAway: You can check out the Devuan installer @ https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso | 19:34 |
| hiddendjinn | ok, as i was saying yesterday, software-settings-qt and software-settings-gtk aren't functioning properly on daedalus | 19:56 |
| hiddendjinn | and i want to find a solution | 19:56 |
| hiddendjinn | [NoClan]GoAway: both times i installed devuan, i didn't get a window...installer was text mode | 19:59 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | well, it's the "old" style installer Debian had years ago, so "window" as in running it with a GUI was a bit of stretch from my side. | 20:18 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | the old white-blue-red "graphical" look | 20:19 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | https://std.rocks/gnulinux_debian_install.html | 20:21 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | something like this one. the current Debian one looks "newer". but I'm glad Devuan stuck with the "original" one. | 20:21 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | @golinux: I could look at it, yet I wouldn't know what to look for. | 20:23 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | "noob" would be the apt description for someone like me. | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | the ncurses interface is easier to use than the white-blue-red fake graphical interface. | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | you don't have to keep going back and forth between keyboard and mouse | 20:26 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | jup. there's that. | 20:27 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | ncurses it was. wasn't sure about what it was that the installer used. | 20:27 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | thanks. | 20:27 |
| dosensuppe | plasma41: so I need those two patches? : https://paste.debian.net/plain/1352889 https://paste.debian.net/1352889/ | 21:12 |
| dosensuppe | ah. ok its the same thing | 21:13 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | btw, thank you guys for keeping the "old" names for network interfaces. as I discovered today, Debian has moved on to using cryptic identifiers like some other distros. | 21:20 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | short question related to installing the nvidia drivers: is it still necessary to blacklist the nouveau drivers and to de-install them first? | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | [NoClan]GoAway, I think just blacklisting is enough. | 21:57 |
| hiddendjinn | [NoClan]GoAway: i didn't have to | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | cool | 21:58 |
| hiddendjinn | i didn't even have to blacklist | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | neither did I, but the last time I did it was eight or nine years ago. | 21:58 |
| djph | if you're using a prepackaged driver; the postinst (IIRC) script blacklists nouveau | 21:58 |
| hiddendjinn | djph: right | 21:59 |
| plasma41 | dosensuppe: that patch goes on after the patchset in the bugtracker. | 22:01 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | good to know. | 22:01 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | currently when invoking the "apt-get install nvidia-driver" I run into some dependency issues... | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | do you have contrib and non-free enabled in sources.list? | 22:07 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I have and I did the "apt-get update" | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | what's it complaining about? | 22:10 |
| hiddendjinn | day 2 of trying to resolve this https://paste.debian.net/1354353/ | 22:14 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | https://pastebin.com/HHTBH34J | 22:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | it lacks packages. | 22:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | if I remember correctly there was an option to install the needed packages alongside the nvidia-driver one | 22:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | and yes, sorry, it's in German | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | you're trying to run a graphical program as root in a user session? | 22:19 |
| hiddendjinn | fsmithred: yes, but that is the origin of discover and gnome-software not populating deb packages | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | I have to go away for a little while. | 22:30 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: sorry, i want to help with this but courtesy and social norms prevent me from fiddling with the GUI on that desktop while its owner isn't here. i can ssh in and check things but i'd rather not "sudo passwd" and blast out their authentication just so i can unlock the desktop and actually click on Discover | 22:35 |
| gnarface | can't really think of a clever way around this without attaching a second seat, which i'm not sure will actually work because it's still using Nvidia drivers | 22:36 |
| gnarface | (they have a bad tendency to freeze up if you start a second X instance) | 22:38 |
| gnarface | maybe i'll have a chance a bit later though | 22:38 |
| gnarface | i checked those two directories and at first glance my contents look the same as yours | 22:38 |
| gnarface | i don't see anything in there mentioning "devuan" | 22:39 |
| hiddendjinn | gnarface: well, i found the package the files SHOULD be in | 22:39 |
| hiddendjinn | but they aren't | 22:39 |
| gnarface | i do see files in the second directory that mention Discover which i note were excluded from your "ls ..." though... | 22:39 |
| gnarface | let's see, i can verify some of this over ssh relatively non-intrusively... | 22:40 |
| hiddendjinn | those files should be in the package python-apt-common | 22:40 |
| gnarface | ok, first check: | 22:40 |
| gnarface | ~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/python-apt/templates/ | 22:40 |
| gnarface | python-apt-common: /usr/share/python-apt/templates | 22:40 |
| gnarface | confirmed | 22:40 |
| gnarface | contents: https://paste.debian.net/1354356/ | 22:41 |
| hiddendjinn | can you give me the second directory path without compromising privacy? | 22:41 |
| gnarface | you're talking about /usr/share/metainfo? | 22:42 |
| hiddendjinn | yep, that's what mine shows | 22:42 |
| hiddendjinn | sure | 22:42 |
| gnarface | i don't have a /usr/share/metainfo/releases either | 22:42 |
| gnarface | i do have a lot of files in /usr/share/metainfo | 22:42 |
| gnarface | ~$ ls /usr/share/metainfo/*discover* | 22:42 |
| gnarface | /usr/share/metainfo/org.kde.discover.appdata.xml /usr/share/metainfo/org.kde.discover.packagekit.appdata.xml | 22:43 |
| gnarface | notably these two | 22:43 |
| gnarface | $ dpkg -S /usr/share/metainfo/ | 22:43 |
| gnarface | plasma-desktop-data, konqueror, emacs-common, kmail, kdeconnect, okular, kinfocenter, khelpcenter, kmix, yelp, plasma-widgets-addons, korganizer, knotes, systemsettings, plasma-pa, gimp, sweeper, milou, kscreen, kmenuedit, konsole, kfind, kamera, kaccounts-providers, kdenlive, gparted, juk, gwenview, libgphoto2-6:i386, audacious, bluedevil, fonts-hack, firmware-linux-free, akregator, steam-installer, plasma-workspace, | 22:43 |
| gnarface | kde-spectacle, pim-data-exporter, kwrite, kwalletmanager, steam-devices, libgphoto2-6:amd64, plasma-discover, elogind, galculator, audacity, dolphin, plasma-wallpapers-addons:amd64, dragonplayer, pim-sieve-editor, kate, pidgin, ark, appstream, kaddressbook, vlc, usbmuxd, fonts-urw-base35, kdialog, kcalc, software-properties-gtk, libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-base, libreoffice-impress, libreoffice-calc, | 22:43 |
| gnarface | libreoffice-draw, firmware-realtek: /usr/share/metainfo | 22:43 |
| gnarface | i think this has already compromised privacy to some degree at this point | 22:43 |
| hiddendjinn | doesn't look useful, tbh | 22:43 |
| gnarface | but yea, i don't really think the difference is here | 22:44 |
| hiddendjinn | ok... | 22:44 |
| gnarface | the thing is, i didn't even get as far as running software-settings-qt in the first place, because Discover read my sources.list right to begin with, no changes were necessary | 22:45 |
| gnarface | if you want to find the critical difference, i think that is the real key... | 22:45 |
| hiddendjinn | not sure | 22:45 |
| gnarface | figuring out why software-settings-qt is segfaulting just seems like a distraction to me | 22:45 |
| gnarface | it shouldn't be required for this to begin with | 22:45 |
| gnarface | something already went wrong before that | 22:46 |
| gnarface | and i think if you solve that mystery it'll obviate the rest | 22:46 |
| gnarface | software-settings-qt? software-properties-qt? now i'm not even sure which it was... | 22:47 |
| gnarface | software-properties-qt i meant | 22:47 |
| gnarface | something that might be key here, is that a while back i do recall going through googled tutorials on changing sources in kde to try to find a way to add backports to Discover without changing my sources.list, and couldn't find the represented panels here | 22:49 |
| gnarface | so i think there's a functional package installation difference | 22:49 |
| gnarface | ... possibly due to this system being the product of multiple release upgrades | 22:50 |
| gnarface | (at least from as far back as beowulf, maybe earlier) | 22:51 |
| gnarface | anyway, in that /usr/share/metainfo directory only *appdata* packages have discover in the name, not the others | 22:52 |
| gnarface | i notice the paste from the ls command from that directory above omitted those on purpose... are we sure they're not related? can we check for these two? /usr/share/metainfo/org.kde.discover.appdata.xml /usr/share/metainfo/org.kde.discover.packagekit.appdata.xml | 22:53 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: ^ for later | 22:53 |
| hiddendjinn | both exist | 22:55 |
| gnarface | hmm | 22:55 |
| gnarface | it's been like a week since i update that system, think it's something that might have broken more recently? | 22:58 |
| hiddendjinn | https://imagebin.co/images/Screenshot_20250223_155726.png | 22:58 |
| hiddendjinn | that's the origin of my issue | 22:59 |
| hiddendjinn | synaptic works | 22:59 |
| gnarface | uh... mind using imgur? | 22:59 |
| gnarface | nah nevermind, it's not that important | 23:00 |
| hiddendjinn | https://imgur.com/a/omw49X2 | 23:00 |
| gnarface | oh, thanks | 23:00 |
| hiddendjinn | i don't see the point, but ok | 23:01 |
| gnarface | please verify internet connectivity!? | 23:01 |
| gnarface | weird... | 23:01 |
| gnarface | wait, what about the "up to date" menu? does that populate? | 23:01 |
| hiddendjinn | it appears to, but says everything is up to date | 23:02 |
| gnarface | is everything up to date? | 23:02 |
| hiddendjinn | i don't think it even checks apt repos | 23:02 |
| hiddendjinn | according to apt, yes | 23:03 |
| gnarface | hmm, so we don't know for sure if it would populate right or not | 23:03 |
| gnarface | i thought we had confirmed that it was not for you | 23:03 |
| hiddendjinn | let me put it this way, synaptic populates, apt in terminal installs apps | 23:04 |
| hiddendjinn | and finds stuff | 23:04 |
| hiddendjinn | and we confirmed no issue with my sources.list | 23:05 |
| gnarface | when the user comes back to unlock the session i'll poke at Discover more here and see if i can find any other discrepancies | 23:05 |
| hiddendjinn | and discover does work with flatpaks | 23:06 |
| hiddendjinn | on flathub | 23:06 |
| gnarface | it was mentioned but i also don't have any flatpack stuff here, in fact there's no 3rd party software at all except Steam and Wine | 23:06 |
| hiddendjinn | right | 23:07 |
| gnarface | (and afaik neither of them touch any of this) | 23:07 |
| gnarface | hiddendjinn: are you also using one of those M* Macs? | 23:09 |
| gnarface | or was that just the other guy? | 23:09 |
| hiddendjinn | using intel macs | 23:11 |
| gnarface | oh, both of you on Intel Macs? | 23:11 |
| hiddendjinn | not sure | 23:12 |
| hiddendjinn | don't know about other guy | 23:12 |
| gnarface | i thought the other guy specifically said it was one of the new M3/M4 ones | 23:12 |
| gnarface | if you're on different arches then maybe that's not the key | 23:12 |
| hiddendjinn | well, an m3/m4 doesn't fully work under any linux | 23:12 |
| gnarface | it doesn't? i thought those Asahi linux guys made a working kernel | 23:13 |
| hiddendjinn | m1/m2 will mostly work using asahi kernel work | 23:13 |
| hiddendjinn | m3/m4 partially works | 23:13 |
| gnarface | ah, i didn't realize there was that much of a difference | 23:13 |
| hiddendjinn | this is my step away from the apple ecosystem | 23:14 |
| hiddendjinn | my next hardware is likely to be lenovo | 23:14 |
| rustyaxe | just dont buy horrible plastic and you should be ok | 23:18 |
| rustyaxe | (HP) | 23:18 |
| hiddendjinn | i'm looking at thinkpad | 23:18 |
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