| Alverstone | fsmithred, next time when making live ISOs would it be a problem to add btrfs-progs? Will take little space but the benefit is palpable. Not everyone uses graphical install. If you got debootstrap on board, btrfs-progs will be a good addition | 15:40 |
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| gnarface | Alverstone: fyi you could make your own with refracta tools | 15:53 |
| gnarface | the mini live iso is non-graphical though, maybe it has btrfs? dunno... | 15:54 |
| Alverstone | gnarface, I am lazy and actually never worked with refracta. How easy it is, exactly? | 15:59 |
| Alverstone | Besides, the benefit will go beyond just me | 16:00 |
| Alverstone | Some people complained to me not a long ago that they couldn't install Devuan with btrfs using default ISOs | 16:00 |
| n4dir | Then create such an iso. | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | Alverstone, I can't tell you why it's not there. I thought I added it to the list a few releases ago, but maybe I'm confusing the devuan isos with the refracta isos. | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | and you just reminded me that I started a build this morning. Need to check it. | 16:06 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, https://merlin.fit.vut.cz/mirrors/devuan-cd/devuan_daedalus/desktop-live/ | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | How easy: Install the system the way you want in a VM. Run refractasnapshot. Use the resulting iso. For extra credit, read the comments in the config file. | 16:08 |
| Alverstone | I used desktop live and it doesn't have btrfs, maybe I confuse something? | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | I'll check. | 16:09 |
| Alverstone | Thank you | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | it's not there in amd64 iso | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | I'll make sure it's there in excalibur and any daedalus point-release | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | also, if you have a network connection in the live session, you can install whatever you need, limited by the amount of RAM you have. | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | and then install to the system | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | Trickier part is that refractainstaller isn't setup to recognize or use btrfs. Some manual hacking is required. | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | There are a few discussions on the forum about that. | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | does debian-installer handle btrfs now? | 16:16 |
| n4dir | every other day someone asks, i am not really interested, so don't listen carefully, but i don't think so | 16:16 |
| n4dir | at least not "comfortable" | 16:16 |
| Alverstone | It's been a while since I bothered with graphical install on anything except ubuntu, so I don't really know. I have a bookworm ISO so I might check it out | 16:18 |
| Alverstone | By the way Debian installation media tends to be close to 4GB, but Devuan's is only about 1.5GB, why so? | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | ext2/3/4, btrfs, jfs, xfs, fat16/32 | 16:22 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, 12.6.0 bookworm CD has btrfs-progs | 16:22 |
| fsmithred | which isos are you comparing? devual live to debian live? | 16:23 |
| Alverstone | wish I knew | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | if so, I would guess that gnome takes up 3GB | 16:23 |
| Alverstone | Anyway their graphical installator allows btrfs formatting as well | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | it's in the devuan installer isos, too | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | just not in the live | 16:24 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ | 16:24 |
| Alverstone | hw | 16:24 |
| Alverstone | sorry | 16:24 |
| Alverstone | wrong link | 16:24 |
| Alverstone | I have a file named "debian-live-12.6.0-amd64-lxqt.iso" but I don't remember where exactly I got it | 16:26 |
| Alverstone | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ | 16:26 |
| Alverstone | This probably | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | I don't know why their xfce iso is 3G (twice as big as ours). Maybe systemd takes up a lot of space and also we don't include a graphical installer because it takes up a lot of space. | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | But I think "a lot" in that case is 100-200MB | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | brb | 16:31 |
| Alverstone | But your live ISO contains some graphical installer? It's way simpler that Debian's, but still | 16:31 |
| Alverstone | That icon on the desktop "Install Devuan" | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, refractainstaller has a graphical version that uses yad (zenity on steroids) | 16:42 |
| schillingklaus | would a cli version of refractinstaller be possible? | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | yes, run 'refractainstaller' in a root terminal | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | or sudo refractainstaller | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | and you can use that to do some things that the installer doesn | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | t support | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | like raid or lvm - requires manual intervention. | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323 | 16:45 |
| schillingklaus | understandably, manipulating the hard drive requires root rights | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | I need to go stack some firewood. I'll be back in a little bit. | 16:46 |
| Alverstone | does programming in a forest boost you skill? | 16:54 |
| schillingklaus | is that a question about machine learning? | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | lol | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | Alverstone, I'm in the middle of horse fields. Next door there are cows and goats. | 17:35 |
| alv | good question !! | 17:38 |
| djph | fsmithred: your animals? | 17:52 |
| fsmithred | djph, my niece has horses | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | and I think there's one boarder | 20:02 |
| Alverstone | >Remote host closed socket | 20:18 |
| Alverstone | Was I kicked out for inactivity or what? | 20:18 |
| Alverstone | from entire libera | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | no, you don't get kicked out for inactivity. I stay connected for weeks at a time. | 20:21 |
| golinux | I am always on too even when I'm sleeping and suspended. | 20:31 |
| freem | <Alverstone> >Remote host closed socket | 23:25 |
| freem | That may be related to inactivity... the one of your internet connection. I mean: connection time-outing. | 23:25 |
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