libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2025-01-17

gnarfacethere might have been another step in there... like copying his passwords into a excel spreadsheet and not realizing the column setting for plain text fields was initial-casing everything...00:00
gnarfacebut my point is, it's a bad path to go down either way00:00
gnarfaceanyway, if you're gonna do it, i recommend you only do it on storage partitions, assuming it's a mount option. if you do this on the whole system it might cause weird breakages unexpectedly (that chmod 777 thing will break your user's ssh config, FYI)00:04
gnarface(and maybe other things but that's the one i know off off the top of my head)00:05
freemapparently, you can enable it only on some folders, when the partition is configured to enable that00:05
gnarfaceterrifying.00:06
freemand yes, it would be a bad idea to enable that for system, on a system historically designed with case-sensitiveness in mind00:06
freemthat at least is obvious to me :)00:06
freemsystems are created and maintained with constraints, including historical ones. Bending those for critical stuff is a bad idea (hello systemd)00:07
_mysthey guys I have an issue and I've been advised yo upgrade the kernel from 6.1.0-10, I'm new devuan, where is a guide for upgrading the kernel02:39
_mystthanks02:39
gnarfacei can walk you through it, i don't know of any guide in specific to that, but it's the same process as with debian02:40
gnarfacewhere did you get that advice though, i think they're up to 6.1.0-20something02:41
gnarfacedoes it have to actually be 6.1.0-10 or do you just want the latest stable one?02:41
gnarface_myst: ^02:41
_mystlol chat gpt .https://dpaste.com/325PAG4LK02:43
gnarfacehmm, yea at first glance the latest one seems to be 6.1.0-30 now, so it must just be stale info02:44
gnarfaceanyway, if you want to just always have the latest one, you just need to install "linux-image-amd64" and that'll pull in the latest with your regular updates02:44
gnarfaceif you have a nvidia card you'll also need "linux-headers-amd64"02:45
gnarfacemaybe it's naive to assume you have a amd64 system but almost all of them are...02:45
gnarfacemake sure though first02:45
_mysti should of provided this detail https://dpaste.com/DDL382MTP02:45
gnarfacebrb02:46
_mystthe first issue is about the nvme, i need to blacklist i965 on the gpu issue as it's not a vulka, just a i91502:46
gnarfacesorry, a bit distracted here, but can you paste to paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me, whatever you want me to look at?02:47
_mystthanks02:48
gnarfacei can take a look in a moment02:48
_mystthx02:48
_mystI just sent a paste, but where does it goto as there is no paste link02:53
gnarfacepaste.debian.net should have redirected you to the result page02:54
_mystno02:55
gnarfacejust copy+paste the location bar contents02:55
gnarfacehmm02:55
gnarfaceyou sure you went to the right page?02:55
_mystthis is what I sent.https://dpaste.com/CW3WZN35J but i used https://paste.debian.net/02:56
_mysthttps://dpaste.com/CW3WZN35J02:57
gnarfaceany error message from paste.debian.net?02:58
_mystahh line breaks https://paste.debian.net/1345569/03:00
gnarfaceheh, well 2 lines you could have just pasted in here03:06
gnarfaceit's 3 or more where you might catch the notice of the anti-flood bo03:06
gnarfacebot*03:06
gnarface_myst: what's the actual problem though? i'm not aware of any issues specific to this hardware... maybe something weird about booting from nvme and needing something set specifically, but nothing that would be different between minor builds of the stable kernel afaik03:07
gnarfacethe Intel i5 is a "amd64" architecture CPU, if that's what you're worried about, however you should know that it would be possible to install the "i386" architecture build of the distro onto this system as well03:10
gnarfaceyou might have done so in error, or on purpose, but if you have a lot of RAM it was probably in error03:11
gnarfaceweird issues are possible, if rare, just because it's not as well tested on this hardware...03:12
gnarfacejust making sure here...03:12
_mystthanks.03:12
gnarfaceyea, if you have more than 4GB of ram you most likely want the whole install to be amd64, not just the kernel03:12
gnarfaceif you have 4GB or less, the difference will not matter as much03:13
_mystthis is 16gb03:13
gnarfacewhat does "uname -a" tell you?03:13
_myst6.1.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.38-1 (2023-07-14) x86_6403:13
gnarfaceok, good03:14
gnarfaceyou should just be able to install the package "linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64" then reboot, to have the latest kernel03:14
_mystshould i beconcerned about the nvme error?03:14
_mystwill do now, thanks03:15
gnarfacei didn't see any nvme error, just a line that identifies the hardware... did you forget to add that to the paste?03:15
gnarfacei do recall some issue with having a nvme drive as your boot drive, but like i said i don't think it would be different between this kernel and the one you already have so... and the issue i'm vaguely remembering might be ARM specific anyway03:16
gnarfaceyou're not using full disk encryption, are you?03:16
gnarfaceanyway, like i said if you want it to just always update the kernel along with your regular system updates, install the "linux-image-amd64" meta package03:17
gnarfacesome people don't like that so it's optional03:17
_mystno encryption, and linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64  is not showing in the apt-cache search03:17
gnarfacedo "apt-get update" once first03:17
gnarfaceyou probably just have a stale cache03:18
gnarfaceif it still isn't showing up after that we have to sanity check your /etc/apt/sources.list file03:18
gnarfaceto be clear though, i am still not sure what your actual issue was, and you clearly already had 6.1.0-10 installed, so i'm not sure what chatgpt thought your issue was either03:20
_mystthe latest listed is linux-image-6.1.0-29-rt-amd6403:20
gnarface(that said, stable-to-stable kernel updates should always be safe)03:21
gnarface(it's a good idea to have a live image on usb or something to boot from in an emergency if something goes wrong though)03:21
onefangChatGPT is hallucinating linux kernel issues now?  I missed that bit.03:21
_mysthttps://paste.debian.net/1345571/03:22
gnarface_myst: don't install the "-rt-" (realtime) kernel let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list03:22
gnarface_myst: ok, i see that paste, but still doesn't include the actual error. what was the error itself? and are your BIOS and nvme drive firmwares up-to-date?03:23
_mystsources https://paste.debian.net/1345572/03:23
gnarfacethis could be a red herring for all i know03:23
gnarface_myst: ok, that's a bit incorrect, stand by i'll give you a fixed one03:23
_mystnvme nvme0: failed to set APST feature (2)03:25
gnarfacehmm, not sure what that's about, but if it isn't preventing booting i'm not sure it's worth worrying about. anyone here have a NVME drive that can confirm?03:25
gnarface_myst: anyway, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to this, then run "apt-get update" again and then your apt-cache searches should see everything: https://paste.debian.net/1345573/03:26
onefangWould that be in syslog?03:26
onefangI just rebooted, from my NVME drive, not seeing "APST" anywhere in my logs.03:27
gnarfaceonefang: a quick google search tells me this error would be seen after waking up from sleep03:28
_mysthttps://paste.debian.net/1345574/03:28
onefangAh I don't do sleep.03:28
_myst1:30pm here03:28
_mystlol03:29
gnarface_myst: we mean the computer :-p03:29
_mysti feel like a computer at this moment no sleep03:29
_mystok..03:29
gnarfacei would check for new drive and BIOS firmware03:30
gnarfacei would do that first, especially with this brand combo03:30
onefang12:30pm here.  Aussie?03:30
gnarfacewell, update the kernel anyway, but if that fixes nothing, then try the firmware03:30
gnarfacethen personally i'd probably also just give up on sleeping it to avoid the bug until some hopeful future date, but i know that's not practical for everyone...03:31
gnarfacethere's always the backports kernel but i wouldn't want to get crazy just yet03:31
onefangThat kind of crazy is for my super desktop.  RT backports kernel.03:32
_mystTis is a multi boot & all the linux are saying the same thing about the drive as well as the other bugs03:37
gnarfacewell, i wouldn't say Kingston is my favorite brand03:37
gnarfacei found a reddit thread from about a year ago on this and the only confirmed solution was [user bought different brand of nvme drive]03:38
gnarfacei wouldn't necessarily give up that easy though... did you install the 6.1.0-30 kernel yet?03:38
gnarfacethe only thing stable kernel updates are for is bug fixes, so there's certainly a possibility it's fixed already03:39
onefangLunch time.  Back later.03:40
gnarfacei wonder if it's only a problem because it's the boot drive03:43
gnarfacemaybe if it was a secondary drive there wouldn't be an issue with it03:43
gnarface_myst: there's also some kernel command-line parameters you can try that people have suggested, nobody in that thread i found said they worked but ymmv03:43
_mystnot yet03:49
_mystupgrading now !03:52
_mystrebooting03:53
gnarfacegood luck03:54
Mystifiedugraded03:56
Mystifiedno change still the same error.03:56
Mystifiedi'll leave that error for now and focus on network ath10k  firmware: failed to load ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:01:00.0.bin03:57
gnarfaceoh, that one is easy, just install the firmware-atheros package03:58
gnarface(might require a reboot)04:01
Mystifiedgnarface: rebooted04:04
Mystifiedhttps://paste.debian.net/1345586/04:04
Mystifiedi'll install firmware-atheros package04:04
Mystifiedfirmware-atheros is already installed at the requested version (20230210-5)04:05
gnarfacehmm. i wonder if it's not new enough... the i915 firmware is in another package i think04:05
Mystifiedi915 is gpu. ath is lan04:06
gnarfacehmm, this hardware might require newer firmware and kernel packages04:07
gnarfacethere is newer in backports...04:07
Mystifiedhow to enable backports04:09
gnarfacesame as the other lines except "daedalus-backports" instead of for example "daedalus-security"04:10
gnarfacesame as the other deb lines04:11
gnarfaceyou have 3 deb lines and 3 deb-src lines04:11
gnarfacejust copy one of the deb lines and change it to "daedalus-backports" then apt-get update again04:11
gnarfaceafter that your apt-get and apt-cache commands will use it if you add "-t daedalus-backports"04:11
gnarface(otherwise, they should ignore it but just to be safe i'd comment it out when you're not using it)04:12
Mystifiedso just add this to sources04:13
Mystifiedhttps://paste.debian.net/1345587/04:13
gnarfaceuh, stand by, in combat again04:13
* onefang hopes that's metaphorical combat.04:14
gnarfaceonefang: it's uh, world of warcraft04:15
onefangAh virtual combat.04:15
gnarfacealright, i'm back again04:19
gnarfaceMystified: not literally like that04:19
gnarfaceMystified: literally like this: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware04:20
gnarfaceappend, don't replace any lines04:20
gnarfaceand i don't think there's a deb-src for this, so leave that out04:21
gnarfaceyou should see some 6.10 kernels in there, and newer firmware packages04:21
gnarfacethey are paired together, don't mix and match04:21
onefangdeb-src for daedalus-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware works fine for me.04:23
gnarfaceoh, is it there?04:23
gnarfaceMystified: go ahead and add the deb-src line too if you want then i guess, but i doubt you'll be using it, and either way, like i said, comment them out and run "apt-get update" again after this exercise. you do not want to do a general full update of everything from backports04:24
onefangNever seen any complaints, but don't think I've actually tried to use it.04:24
gnarfaceit's rare, but occasionally someone will package something wrong (*cough* Nvidia *cough*) and it will accidentally pull in all of backports, then you tend to get weird stability issues because those packages are generally not tested against each other like the regular stable ones04:25
Mystifiedadded deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware to sources & then ran update.04:25
Mystifiedtried to install04:26
Mystifiedaptitude install firmware-atheros firmware-atheros is already installed at the requested version (20230210-5)04:26
gnarfaceMystified: you gotta add "-t daedalus-backports"04:26
gnarfaceto the command-line04:26
gnarfacelike this for example: apt-cache -t daedalus-backports search ^linux\-image\-6\.10.*04:26
Mystifiedahh thankyou04:27
Mystifiedtahnk you master04:28
gnarfacenp04:28
Mystifiedapt install -t daedalus-backports ^firmware-atheros* same version04:33
gnarfaceno, don't use the wildcards with the install command04:33
gnarfacethose are just for searches04:33
Mystifiedyes but still no other package04:33
gnarfacehmm, weird, shows up on pkginfo.devuan.org....04:34
Mystified20240709-2~bpo12+1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports/non-free-firmware04:35
Mystifiedamd6404:35
gnarfaceyea, that's the one04:36
Mystifiedso I need to add this04:36
gnarfacebpo means backports04:36
Mystified http://deb.devuan.org/merged04:36
Mystifiedceres/non-free-firmware04:36
Mystifiedamd6404:36
gnarfaceno no04:36
gnarfacedon't use ceres04:36
Mystifiedok04:36
gnarfacethe backports one should be what you want04:36
Mystifiedit does not show with the -t04:37
gnarfacehmm, weird... you sure?04:39
gnarfacedouble-check your commands04:39
Mystifiedapt-cache -t daedalus-backports search ^firmware-athero*04:41
Mystifiedfirmware-atheros - Binary firmware for Qualcomm Atheros wireless cards04:41
gnarfacetry it like this: apt-get update && apt-cache -t daedalus-backports search ^firmware\-atheros$04:42
gnarfaceyou should see version 20240709-2~bpo12+1, which is the backports version; the "bpo12" substring indicates it is daedalus-backports04:43
gnarfacethe stable version you already had installed should have been 20230210-504:43
Mystifiednope..04:43
Mystifiedno 202404:43
* gnarface sighs04:44
gnarfacepaste your sources.list file again so i can sanity check it04:44
Mystifiedwould you like to check my sources list04:44
gnarfaceyea let's double check04:44
onefangSNAP!04:44
gnarfacemaybe you got unlucky and there is something wrong in the repos but usually they're okay...04:44
gnarfacepkginfo.devaun.org indicates it should certainly be there...04:44
fluffywolfstill on chimaera-backports or something?04:44
fluffywolfI see 20240709-2~bpo12+1 here...04:45
gnarfacehmm, yea, Mystified show me the output of "dpkg -l |grep atheros" too04:45
fluffywolfalso, holy long descrption, batman.  lol.  the stable version's long info is like huge.04:45
Mystifiedhttps://paste.debian.net/1345595/04:45
gnarfacethat sources.list looks fine04:46
Mystifiedpkg -l |grep atheros   firmware-atheros                           20230210-504:46
fluffywolfdoes apt-get update show anything interesting?04:46
Mystifiedno04:46
gnarface20230210-5 is definitely current stable...04:47
gnarfacetry "apt-get update" once more see if it changes anything04:47
fluffywolfdpkg -l is showing what you have installed, not what's available04:47
gnarfacedeb.devaun.org is a DNS round-robin, maybe one is just out of sync and you got unlucky04:47
fluffywolfno?04:47
gnarfaceyea04:47
Mystifiedhttps://paste.debian.net/1345597/04:47
fluffywolfaptitude != apt...04:48
gnarfaceMystified: note that aptitude and apt/apt-get/apt-cache have separate caches04:48
gnarfaceMystified: try: aptitude -t daedalus-backports search firmware-atheros04:48
gnarfacefluffywolf: it's -t with aptitude too though, right?04:49
fluffywolfor don't use aptitude.  lol.  it used to be awesome, but it's really not been keeping up with debian's progress, and now kinda sucks...04:49
Mystifiedhttps://paste.debian.net/1345598/04:49
fluffywolfdunno.  I stopped using aptitude.04:49
onefangThere is an update of package mirrors in progress right now.  Wait ten minutes then try again.04:49
gnarfaceMystified: no, like this: apt -t daedalus-backports show firmware-atheros04:49
fluffywolfyou need -a with apt show.  or use apt-get.04:50
gnarfacehmm, i always use apt-get04:50
fluffywolfwhy do you keep using different commands than people suggest using?04:50
fluffywolfdon't give an answer when someone asks about apt-get when you actually ran aptitude, for example.04:50
gnarfaceMystified: like this, literally: apt-cache -t daedalus-backports show firmware-atheros04:50
fluffywolfapt-cache doesn't seem to do -t04:51
MystifiedVersion: 20230210-504:51
gnarfacehmm...04:52
fluffywolfdid you run apt-get update?  not apt, aptitude, or any other command.04:52
gnarfacei could have sworn it was -t with apt-cache...04:52
Mystifiedapt-get updateReading package lists... Done04:52
fluffywolfI tried your command here and it silently ignored -t (which should be a bug) and showed both...04:52
gnarfaceMystified: what do you get if you do this, exactly now?: apt-get -t daedalus-backports install firmware-atheros04:53
Mystifiedahh..04:54
Mystifiedapt-cache -t daedalus-backports show  firmware-atheros   Package: firmware-atheros Version: 20240709-2~bpo12+1 Installed-Size: 7413604:54
Mystifiedi'll reboot04:55
gnarfaceMystified: figuring it out now? that one package may fix it, but usually when they have firwmare in backports it only works against the kernel that's also in backports, just fyi04:55
Mystifiedbrb ..thanks & sorry04:55
fluffywolfrighto...  so, don't run different commands than the ones people tell you to run, then report that as the results of the command they asked about.  yeah.04:55
Mystified:(04:55
fluffywolfyou could install the bpo kernel before the reboot...  I don't remeber if it's easy or if it needs a bunch of stuff these days.04:57
_mystath10k_pci 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:01:00.0.bin (-2)04:58
fluffywolfdo you need to manually rebuilt the initrd for that firmware?  don't remember.05:00
fluffywolfgoogling says those files are not needed, and you should see if your wifi works now05:02
_mystI goto go to the shops for my elderly parents(+90 Yrs) be back in 30. thanks so much for the help.05:04
fluffywolfhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405009/what-is-the-purpose-of-ath10k-pre-cal-pci-and-ath10k-cal-pci05:04
fluffywolfmaybe firmware is like one of the impossible minigames of your namesake?05:06
gnarface_myst: incidentally, i believe the i915 firmware you're missing is in the package "firmware-misc-nonfree"05:11
gnarface(which also has a backports version)05:11
gnarfacei don't know for sure these backports packages are gonna fix anything, by the way... it's kinda a shot in the dark, but for hardware newer than the stable kernel it's usually a good bet05:12
* fluffywolf was never a gamer... poked at myst when it came out, continued not being a gamer.05:13
gnarfaceoh, hmm... that i915 firmware might actually be in the "firmware-intel-graphics" package only in backports, testing and unstable05:30
gnarfaceseems like before that it was just in regular xserver-xorg-video-intel, but it seems like it might also be a case of which specific i915 hardware generation you have05:30
_mystapt install -t daedalus-backports firmware-misc-nonfree.. IT IS also installing    firmware-atheros (20240709-2~bpo12+1)  & firmware-intel-graphics (20240709-2~bpo12+1)   back in a while need to make latte for my mother !05:55
fluffywolfbbl, wolfy bedtime06:09
_mystback.. 410pm06:09
_mysti'll reboot06:10
Mystifiedback06:11
Mystifiedgpu fixed but not ath10k or the nvme drive06:12
gnarfaceMystified: what does "uname -a" say now?06:13
gnarfacewondering if you got the kernel too or just the firmware packages06:13
gnarfacealso, did you reboot after installing those firmware?06:14
Mystified6.1.0-30-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.124-1 (2025-01-1206:14
Mystifiedthanks06:14
Mystifiedrebooted06:14
gnarfaceMystified: that's still the stable kernel, you might need the backports kernel too for those backports firmwares to work right06:15
Mystifiedwhat to search for ?06:15
gnarfacetry ^linux\-image\-6\.10\.*bpo06:16
gnarfaceno i mean ^linux\-image\-6\.10.*bpo06:16
gnarfaceer, wait, here, just install this one: linux-image-6.10.11+bpo-amd6406:18
gnarfacei'm pretty sure it's that one06:18
gnarface(https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Elinux%5C-image%5C-6%5C.10.*bpo.*amd64&x=submit)06:19
Mystifiedis this date it was created 2019.06.03-1?06:24
Mystifiedcan't be it's 6.10 not 6.106:26
Mystifiedinstalling linux-image-6.10.11+bpo-amd6406:33
mystupgraded & update-grub,now rebooted, still the same ath10k_pci 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:01:00.0.bin (-2)06:37
Mystifieduname -a  shows 6.1.0-30-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.124-1 (2025-01-12) x86_64, yet I've successfully installed daedalus-backports linux-image-6.10.11+bpo-amd6406:44
MystifiedI can't located but is installed06:45
thegoatMystified, wouldn't it be in /boot and available in GRUB?06:55
mystok. all good kernel in use. 6.10.11+bpo-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.10.11-1~bpo12+1 (2024-10-03).07:06
mystnvme issue gone. likewise i915.07:06
onefangNo longer Mystified, now just a myst.07:07
myststill have ath10k issue, no other with fail in dmesg07:07
mystyou like !!!07:07
gnarfacemyst: check the ath10k device to see if it works, the firmware errors might not be for your particular device, the drivers just load all the firmware for that driver at once07:18
gnarfacedrat, i was too slow07:19
gnarfacebecause i think there was also maybe something about MAC randomization being on by default now, might sabotage some wifi setups...07:20
djenti set manual ip to eth0 like (ip addr add 13.13.13.1/24 dev eth0). Then it dissappears again after like 2 seconds.09:37
gnarfacedjent: that's strange... but it's not wireless?09:58
gnarfaceyou sure you're not running a dhcp client accidentally?09:58
gnarfaceif not, just a guess but could be a driver issue, maybe something with power management, but not one i've heard of specifically...09:59
rrqor there might be an ifupdown versus netw0rok-manager competition09:59
djentgnarface, oh yeah i forgot that networkmanager is running09:59
Alverstoneafter the recent update `apt show` started using pager by default (/bin/less on my machine). For god's sake how do I stop it?16:21
Alverstoneecho 'Binary::apt::Pager "0";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99nofancy16:37
Xishi all18:01
AlverstoneXis hi18:54
plasma41amarsh04: As for a script for downloading binary packages from snapshot.debian.org, check out the debsnap script in the devscripts package. Based on your description, you'll probably want to run it with the '--binary' and '--architecture' options.20:47
amarsh04Thanks plasma4121:11

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