| systemdlete | So what is the story with chromium? These packages have been held back for a week now. While harmless, I still don't understand why it is available for upgrade yet refuses to be upgraded. (I can't remove it due to its being a dependency of another package I rely on, otherwise I would remove it) | 04:42 |
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| systemdlete | Thanks | 04:43 |
| schillingklaus | chromium is replete with telemetry and other assaults on privacy | 04:45 |
| systemdlete | unfortunately, I cannot do much about that, schillingklaus. But, yes, I have heard that about chromium. And about 5000 other software packages in the universe also, sadly. | 04:46 |
| systemdlete | I wish that thruk did not have a hard dependency on chromium. But I've kind of invested a lot of effort and time in thruk. | 04:47 |
| schillingklaus | what is thruk? | 04:48 |
| systemdlete | I don't use chromium for browsing; it seems there are some library routines used by thruk, which is a network monitoring system. It is a front-end to nagios-type service monitors. | 04:48 |
| systemdlete | I've asked the dev of thruk if there is any way to remove the dependency, but it seems it is there to stay for the moment anyway. | 04:49 |
| systemdlete | s/stay/stay, / | 04:49 |
| systemdlete | I forget how I discovered thruk, but it might have been in the adelie linux channel, idr now. | 04:50 |
| onefang | I'm on the search for replacements for Icinga2, which is similar. Sounds like thruk isn't it if it depends on a particular web browser. | 04:50 |
| systemdlete | Oh, you don't have to use chromium to view the thruk web pages; you can use any browser. | 04:51 |
| onefang | I dislike Icinga2 replacing Icinga in Daedulas, coz it's such a pain in the arse to get it up and running that I just gave up. | 04:51 |
| systemdlete | It's only a dependency, apparently, for some routines in the chromium libraries. | 04:51 |
| onefang | Still depends on it though. | 04:52 |
| systemdlete | chrummium would have been a better name. | 04:52 |
| onefang | lol | 04:52 |
| systemdlete | onefang, schillingklaus: any idea why these packages are in this state where they on one hand need to be updated, but on the other hand cannot be updated? | 04:55 |
| onefang | Only time I see that sort of thing is locally held packages. | 04:55 |
| * systemdlete reminds them of the classical "unstoppable force meets an immovable object" | 04:56 | |
| onefang | I don't have chromium installed, so I have no idea exactly what problem you are seeing. | 04:56 |
| systemdlete | could it be that thruk has set those packages as locally held? | 04:56 |
| systemdlete | apt update says that 3 packages (chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox) can be upgraded. | 04:57 |
| systemdlete | But apt upgrade says the 3 packages "have been kept back" | 04:57 |
| onefang | Throw it at aptitude. | 04:57 |
| systemdlete | hmmm. Don't use aptitude often, but that's an idea | 04:58 |
| debdog | uhm, that is a known issue not only on devuan but also on debian | 04:58 |
| onefang | I only use it for these sort of tricky things, to see what's going on. | 04:58 |
| systemdlete | debdog, so this all depends on "upstream" so to speak? | 04:59 |
| debdog | these packages IIRC are supplied by "proposed-updates" | 04:59 |
| debdog | and proposed-updates is not a part of the stable release thingy | 04:59 |
| systemdlete | is there a way to opt out of these "proposed updates?" | 04:59 |
| debdog | check your sources .list | 05:00 |
| systemdlete | ah... | 05:00 |
| systemdlete | Now, a few months ago, I was getting frustrated by some errors (idr what exactly) coming from the thruk repos, so I disabled them. | 05:01 |
| systemdlete | Let me try re-enabling them, and see what happens. | 05:01 |
| schillingklaus | can't nagios be used without any frontend? | 05:03 |
| systemdlete | sure. | 05:03 |
| systemdlete | and a lot of people do. | 05:03 |
| systemdlete | what I actually have installed is something called OMD, Open Montoring Distribution, which comes with naemon, which is a nagios workalike. | 05:05 |
| onefang | Icinga is also a nagios workalike, and uses the same plugins. | 05:06 |
| systemdlete | I find naemon very helpful in flagging me when updates and other issues come up. | 05:07 |
| systemdlete | yes, and there's a bunch of others that do the same thing also | 05:07 |
| systemdlete | aptitude shows these 3 packages as "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" | 05:08 |
| systemdlete | (just fyi, I did not create these myself) | 05:08 |
| systemdlete | oh wait, sorry. | 05:09 |
| systemdlete | I thought those were the 3. The 3 aptitude is referring to are for OMD, not chrummium | 05:09 |
| systemdlete | they are actually listed under upgradable packages. | 05:10 |
| schillingklaus | so only the OMD upgrade is held back | 05:15 |
| systemdlete | I don't think so because that repo is currently disabled | 05:15 |
| systemdlete | but I guess apt can tell it is installed, so it knows the dependencies | 05:16 |
| systemdlete | and the version of OMD I am using is from their nightlies, which I was told to try to eliminate that bug I was having (the one that made me disable the regular repo in my apt here) | 05:19 |
| systemdlete | You know, I probably need to talk to OMD folks. I know them; they have been helpful in the past. they may know the best way to deal with this. | 05:19 |
| systemdlete | (short of removing thruk altogether (-: ) | 05:20 |
| onefang | Good idea. | 05:20 |
| systemdlete | sorry for the bother | 05:20 |
| systemdlete | I just remembered something. I actually have chromium installed on another system (not sure why I did that), and it has the same issue. That system is a MX Linux system, but it also uses the debian repos and packages | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | so this might not be just dependent on thruk/OMD, as debdog said above | 05:26 |
| debdog | as I've said, this also happened to debian users | 05:27 |
| systemdlete | sorry, debdog, I did not immediately register what you said there. | 05:27 |
| debdog | but then, why would anyone listen to a mere dog?!" | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | because maybe, just maybe, they LIKE dogs? | 05:28 |
| onefang | Saw a pack of you debdogs before. | 05:28 |
| debdog | sorry, gotta go playing dart with a friens... | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | what breed are you debdog? | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | (if that's not too personal) | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | (and maybe O.T.) | 05:28 |
| schillingklaus | certainly not a puppy or a fatdog | 05:29 |
| systemdlete | schillingklaus, I am sure that debdog is an OLD dog. | 05:29 |
| onefang | Definitely off topic now. | 05:29 |
| debdog | german, almost dead, funny mix breed | 05:30 |
| systemdlete | a mutt! | 05:30 |
| systemdlete | I hope you have some Lab in you. | 05:30 |
| onefang | I use a mutt for reading email. | 05:30 |
| systemdlete | anyway, this is all going sideways | 05:30 |
| debdog | Möter, halb Mensch, hab Köter :P | 05:31 |
| onefang | Time for me to go shopping. Don't think I'll go sideways. | 05:32 |
| * systemdlete suddenly realizes they are chatting with a half-man,half-mutt and someone with only one fang. Man, this place is dangerous! | 05:38 | |
| debdog | you've been warned! | 05:40 |
| systemdlete | lol | 05:41 |
| onefang | Have you also met the furry wolf? | 07:43 |
| debdog | OT! | 07:46 |
| schillingklaus | ah the weredog is back | 07:47 |
| debdog | nowhere dog, more like it | 07:51 |
| debdog | I am gone | 07:51 |
| al1r4d | what is furry wolf? the only "wolf" that i know is librewolf | 12:37 |
| al1r4d | xD | 12:37 |
| coppola | Artix/Devuan > Arch/Debian | 20:07 |
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