| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: only idea i had was maybe they needed "arch=amd64,i386" before the "signed-by=..." part, but looks like you guys figured it out | 00:01 |
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| n4dir | to set up for audio-production i was told to set processors for "performing" instead of ondemand | 05:07 |
| n4dir | i did it with a simple command: echo -n performance | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 05:08 |
| n4dir | echo -n performance | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 05:08 |
| n4dir | i fount how-to's to automate that during boot with systemd. | 05:08 |
| n4dir | Is there an easy way to automate it, either during boot or after log-in, i wouldn't care | 05:08 |
| n4dir | i guess i could write a script and put that in the autostart folder, but more easy would even be better | 05:09 |
| n4dir | i assume the script would need to use "xterm -e change_cpu"; then use su in the script | 05:09 |
| debdog | n4dir: /etc/rc.local could be an option for that | 05:18 |
| n4dir | i just put the command in there? | 05:19 |
| debdog | I use that for e.g. "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict" | 05:19 |
| debdog | probably yes, just try it | 05:20 |
| n4dir | if that works, i assume it does, it is perfect, thanks | 05:20 |
| debdog | what I am curious about, why does it use tee? | 05:27 |
| debdog | I don't think that is required? | 05:28 |
| n4dir | i'f seen tee often used when using echo to put text in a file, i wouldn't know why | 05:29 |
| n4dir | usually i just copy and paste, i seldom use echo to do that | 05:29 |
| n4dir | i seem to recall someone gave me the reason, but it didn't really convince me | 05:31 |
| debdog | hmm, perhaps bacause of the * in cpu* | 05:37 |
| n4dir | i think it really is as easy as some arch guy wanting to show some fancy stuff, and henceforth it was used by each and everyone | 05:40 |
| debdog | hehe | 05:41 |
| onefang | When putting stuff in rc.local, check if it's running things out of /etc/boot.d and put your stuff in there instead if possible. | 05:43 |
| onefang | I am in the middle of working on music production stuff now. Eventually I'll have a Devuan spin I want to call EARS. | 05:44 |
| n4dir | if it does that for you, then it should do it for me too | 05:44 |
| n4dir | thanks though. I will just leave it in rc.local for now | 05:44 |
| n4dir | a miracle the system didn't crash yet, after all the changes i made without the slightest clue what they might do | 05:45 |
| n4dir | i followed the rtcqs script btw. | 05:45 |
| n4dir | and, btw, onefang after lookig at Ubuntustudio, AV Linux and Fedora Jam (librazik i use anyway, kind of), i just thought, 5 minutes ago, a Devuan Audio Distro would be really nice | 05:48 |
| n4dir | AV Linux is close to what i look for, easy on ressources, no systemd, so on, but it comes with only a few audio apps | 05:48 |
| debdog | hmm, I don't even have /etc/boot.d. where does it come from? | 05:52 |
| n4dir | it is set to be used in rc.local assuming it exists. I only had a quick glance at rc.local, then decided i now don't want to investigate | 05:53 |
| n4dir | like "bin" in the users home gets used, assuming it exists | 05:54 |
| onefang | That's why I said to check, /etc/boot.d is recentish. | 05:54 |
| gnarface | the default cpu frequency governor is a kernel build option, but knowing that, there might be a way to override the default from a kernel command-line option | 05:55 |
| gnarface | (typically i use rc.local for this too though) | 05:55 |
| gnarface | you don't need to use the boot.d thing; i just comment it out | 05:56 |
| gnarface | hmm, yea, according to google's AI response it's just "cpufreq_governor=[governor_name]" on the kernel command-line | 06:03 |
| * n4dir sighs | 06:06 | |
| rwp | The /etc/rc.local file is a conffile a part of the initscripts package. If you have modified that conffile and been upgrading and saying to keep the old conffile then you won't have the package maintainer version with the /etc/boot.d stuff in it. | 06:06 |
| darwin | are realtime kernels still insecure connected to Internet or they're okay to use now? If not, is there a newer option that's almost as good? | 06:07 |
| rwp | The Linux kernel is not a real-time kernel so if we are talking about real-time kernels then we must be talking about a non-linux kernel, right? | 06:08 |
| n4dir | i could swear i just read "realtime for the masses" regarding the new linux kernel | 06:09 |
| rwp | Hey I don't know everything! Do you have a reference? | 06:11 |
| n4dir | wait a second, it was at linuxmusicians.com (i only read the headline) | 06:11 |
| n4dir | https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=27690 | 06:12 |
| n4dir | i just installed a stock repo rt kernel, but mainly to look if it helps (with xruns). | 06:12 |
| n4dir | the subject in general is above me. | 06:12 |
| onefang | 6.11.5+bpo-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.11.5-1~bpo12+1 a real time Linux kernel in Devuan, it's what I use. | 06:12 |
| rwp | Found this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/20-years-later-real-time-linux-makes-it-to-the-kernel-really/ | 06:13 |
| n4dir | onefang: yup, i think that one i use too | 06:13 |
| n4dir | onefang: i am not too sure yet all the changes proposed by rtcqs script made the xruns go away. For sure not for lmms | 06:15 |
| gnarface | there's a Debian realtime kernel, but i've inferred that's not "official" outside of Debian | 06:15 |
| gnarface | or at least wasn't up until recently (i saw the recent news about "realtime for the masses" being upstreamed too, but i don't know how much of that work has made it into Debian's builds yet) | 06:15 |
| gnarface | and i don't remember anything being said about security in either case, but it seems like there would be an obvious potential for certain types of DOS attacks that might not be avoidable with realtime implementations | 06:16 |
| rwp | I'll say WOW that after all of these years this has finally landed in the Linux kernel. | 06:18 |
| rwp | The announcement say that 6.12 is where it landed. I see you are running a bpo backport. | 06:18 |
| rwp | I have been reading through the articles. I guess I must re-compile my understanding that Linux is not real-time after 6.12 and later. Which is a good thing. | 06:27 |
| n4dir | i mean, do you need it for anything besides audio? Else i never hear about it | 06:27 |
| rwp | Well... *I* don't really need it for anything. Having gotten along without it all of these years. But it will be useful to others. And that's a good thing. | 06:32 |
| n4dir | Yeah, after starting with audio i quickly gave up on rt kernels | 06:33 |
| n4dir | It's only the xruns which made me give it a try again. Going back and forth, all kind of things | 06:33 |
| debdog | some embedded with not so powerful hardware might require rt to be fast enough to fulfill their task properly. what's the hype about rt for everyone nowadays is beyond my reach | 06:51 |
| gnarface | n4dir: usually for buffer underruns you just make a minor alsa userspace configuration adjustment. RT kernels you typically only have to resort to if you're doing stuff like live multi-track recording sessions where timing precision is tantamount | 06:57 |
| n4dir | yeah, i assumed for what i do i don't really need an rt kernel. But as said, i don't really understand all of this | 06:59 |
| n4dir | setting the buffer didn't help | 06:59 |
| gnarface | first identify if it's a buffer underrun or overrun | 06:59 |
| gnarface | setting the buffer right is key, but you might also be facing an actual driver problem | 06:59 |
| gnarface | buffer tuning will fix underruns, but overruns means you have a CPU load issue | 06:59 |
| n4dir | I assumed, after all kind of changes, the CPU might be to shitty | 07:00 |
| gnarface | well, a 16-bit stereo wav file is pretty trivial load on its own... what are you actually trying to do? | 07:00 |
| n4dir | i asked in the linuxmusicians forum, and they pointed me to said script (rtcqs) | 07:00 |
| gnarface | ah, well they probably know better than i | 07:00 |
| n4dir | typicially i either use a modular Synth, vcvrack, or sometimes zyn itself with seq24, ardour nor right now, and i looked at lmms | 07:01 |
| n4dir | lmms is by far the worst. | 07:01 |
| n4dir | as i don't really use it, nor plan to, it doesn't really bother me | 07:01 |
| n4dir | i start it, and without doing anything it already gives xruns | 07:01 |
| gnarface | underrun or overrun? | 07:02 |
| gnarface | xrun means nothing to me | 07:02 |
| n4dir | i don't have that info | 07:02 |
| gnarface | hmm | 07:02 |
| n4dir | i read about it while investigating, but before you said it, i already forgot it again | 07:02 |
| gnarface | does it happen even if you just play a wav file with aplay? | 07:02 |
| n4dir | oh, no. Not like that | 07:02 |
| n4dir | In VCVRack it seems to happen if i load a certain amount of modules, say 30 or more | 07:03 |
| n4dir | also low-freq seems to make it worse | 07:03 |
| n4dir | then the problem with lmms (which is not a problem, only i figured it out) | 07:03 |
| n4dir | in ardour i don't have it at all (but only do that much with ardour, a few tracks, not too long, midi, no recording) | 07:03 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it could be a red herring... if you're using some big graphical audio mastering program of some sort, what might look like an audio issue because of the symptoms might actually be being caused by using the generic video drivers, which in turn would drive CPU load up too high | 07:03 |
| n4dir | yeah, in lmms i see the xruns, and plenty ,but i don't hear them | 07:04 |
| n4dir | in vcvrack i can hear them | 07:04 |
| n4dir | this really is a low-spec PC. 200 €, like 2 years ago. | 07:05 |
| n4dir | so after all that configuring i assumed it simply might be the low-specs PC. | 07:05 |
| n4dir | asked that, but all they did was point me to the mentioned script. I made the changes, and now will have to observe | 07:06 |
| n4dir | thing is: if i open htop , i sure don't see a huge load of RAM or CPU | 07:06 |
| gnarface | n4dir: possible the alsa driver just sucks bad, what's the audio device in it? | 08:45 |
| n4dir | i use jack | 08:47 |
| n4dir | the audio device is a M-Audio T-Track Solo | 08:47 |
| gnarface | hmm, jack might need its own buffering settings, separate from alsa? i don't know enough about how it works | 08:47 |
| gnarface | never heard of the audio device either so i can't say | 08:47 |
| n4dir | i use cadence or qjackctl , and in both you can make the settings for jack, buffer, frames/buffer and sample rate | 08:49 |
| n4dir | i think then alsa doesn't matter too much anymore | 08:50 |
| n4dir | i sure didn't have xruns in vcvrack, but the patch wasn't too big. Still gotta observe. lmms is like always firing up xruns as if there was no tomorrow | 08:51 |
| onefang | JACK is still running on top of ALSA. | 08:51 |
| n4dir | it is, the question is if it's settings change anything | 08:52 |
| n4dir | i sure never bothered with alsa settings | 08:52 |
| joerg | >><n4dir> the audio device is a M-Audio T-Track Solo<< USB-attached? If so then I know what I'm pointing fingers at | 09:04 |
| n4dir | aren't most usb-attached? | 09:08 |
| n4dir | i might want to look into that | 09:08 |
| onefang | Even the two audio devices on my motherboard are USB. | 09:09 |
| Guest66 | hello | 20:35 |
| Guest66 | bye | 20:36 |
| freem | lol | 21:24 |
| freem | I guess guests are polite, at least. | 21:25 |
| Guest66 | hi | 22:01 |
| D-HUND | oy! | 22:01 |
| Guest66 | hi d-hund | 22:02 |
| Guest66 | I had a question | 22:02 |
| Guest66 | I need to use devuan just a bit, then not again, oprobably | 22:02 |
| Guest66 | I want to use it to do be the driver for Flash ROM with a CH341A | 22:03 |
| Guest66 | and need to compile the pieces needed to build a coreboot image for a G505S | 22:03 |
| Guest66 | I need to install some linux components, and Devuan 5.1 fresh install, seems a bit relecutant to make easy | 22:04 |
| Guest66 | I guess I do not have knowledge of Debian either. | 22:05 |
| D-HUND | there are two relatively easy ways to install devuan: | 22:06 |
| Guest66 | So Uh first Linux commant I need is Git. I tried in terminal | 22:06 |
| Guest66 | git --version | 22:06 |
| Guest66 | Not there | 22:06 |
| D-HUND | apt-get install git | 22:07 |
| D-HUND | as root, of course | 22:07 |
| Guest66 | Synaptic says it can install. but I need to find repository link. | 22:07 |
| Guest66 | cd root | 22:07 |
| D-HUND | it should be there. no additional repo required | 22:07 |
| Guest66 | thank you | 22:07 |
| Guest66 | how do I get into root | 22:09 |
| D-HUND | uhm, what made you think you'll need to find a "repository link"? did synaptic spit out any errors? | 22:09 |
| Guest66 | tthat is what i asked for, then I just carried on, and did not find anything to install | 22:10 |
| D-HUND | the apt-get command requires root. so does synaptic. but running synaptic from the menu it either is root or it ask for a password | 22:10 |
| Guest66 | apt-get install git | 22:10 |
| Guest66 | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied) | 22:10 |
| Guest66 | E: Unable to acquire the dp | 22:10 |
| D-HUND | ahh | 22:10 |
| D-HUND | try: "su - -c apt-get install git" from command line | 22:11 |
| Guest66 | E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root? | 22:11 |
| Guest66 | what is the c for | 22:11 |
| D-HUND | "command" meaning the command after -c | 22:11 |
| D-HUND | su stands for super user | 22:12 |
| D-HUND | aka root | 22:12 |
| Guest66 | su - -c apt-get install git | 22:12 |
| Guest66 | su: user install does not exist or the user entry does not contain all the required fields | 22:12 |
| D-HUND | what about: "sudo apt-get install git"? | 22:13 |
| Guest66 | I have a link to download git but it opens archiver, which will extract | 22:13 |
| D-HUND | somehow you need root priviligegs. but that depends on how you've installed devuan | 22:13 |
| Guest66 | sudo apt-get install git | 22:14 |
| Guest66 | [sudo] password for carlsbad: | 22:14 |
| Guest66 | carlsbad is not in the sudoers file. | 22:14 |
| Guest66 | did not take root password, but password for carlsabad name | 22:15 |
| Guest66 | for account name | 22:15 |
| D-HUND | <Guest66> su: user install does not exist or the user entry does not contain all the required fields <-- have you entered the command as I've said? | 22:16 |
| Guest66 | instructions on not in sudoers says to install | 22:16 |
| D-HUND | hum | 22:16 |
| Guest66 | carlsbad, in sudo | 22:16 |
| D-HUND | sorry, I am not familiar with this. never had a linux without a root user | 22:17 |
| D-HUND | mayhap someone will chime in here? | 22:17 |
| Guest66 | hmm | 22:17 |
| D-HUND | how did you install devuan? installer, liveCD, ....? | 22:17 |
| Guest66 | has root, I should have used same pw for both root and account | 22:18 |
| Guest66 | installer 5.01 | 22:18 |
| D-HUND | and during installation you have chosen to create a root account and you gave it a password? | 22:18 |
| Guest66 | also suggests for problems installing software /. I should use installer program instead of tar | 22:19 |
| D-HUND | right | 22:19 |
| Guest66 | yes | 22:19 |
| Guest66 | that is synaptic | 22:19 |
| D-HUND | ok, and you know you root password? | 22:19 |
| Guest66 | yes | 22:19 |
| Guest66 | \no doubt | 22:19 |
| D-HUND | ok | 22:19 |
| D-HUND | then, insode a console type: "su -" | 22:19 |
| D-HUND | then ist asks for the password, entrer it | 22:20 |
| D-HUND | *inside | 22:20 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# | 22:20 |
| D-HUND | yay | 22:20 |
| Guest66 | so that should be in | 22:21 |
| D-HUND | now: apt-get install git | 22:21 |
| D-HUND | yes, now you have root priv | 22:21 |
| D-HUND | s | 22:21 |
| D-HUND | brb | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# apt-get install git | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Reading package lists... Done | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Building dependency tree... Done | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Reading state information... Done | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | The following additional packages will be installed: | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | git-man liberror-perl patch | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Suggested packages: | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | git-daemon-run | git-daemon-sysvinit git-doc git-email git-gui gitk gitweb | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | git-cvs git-mediawiki git-svn ed diffutils-doc | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | git git-man liberror-perl patch | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Need to get 0 B/9,377 kB of archives. | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | After this operation, 48.0 MB of additional disk space will be used. | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | Media change: please insert the disc labeled | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | 'Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914' | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter] | 22:22 |
| D-HUND | I see | 22:22 |
| Guest66 | I will put iin usb with install | 22:22 |
| D-HUND | not required, one moment... | 22:22 |
| D-HUND | try: editor /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:23 |
| D-HUND | at the top of that file you should see something like: | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | Media change: please insert the disc labeled | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | 'Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914' | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter] | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | Media change: please insert the disc labeled | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | 'Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914' | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter] | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | Media change: please insert the disc labeled | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | 'Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914' | 22:24 |
| Guest66 | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter] | 22:24 |
| D-HUND | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux ... | 22:24 |
| D-HUND | edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list using the command (as root): editor /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:25 |
| D-HUND | at the top of that file you should see something like: | 22:25 |
| D-HUND | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux ... | 22:25 |
| D-HUND | put a # in front of that line, like: | 22:25 |
| D-HUND | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux ... | 22:25 |
| Guest66 | how do I got somewhere with this thing | 22:26 |
| Guest66 | I have editor open | 22:26 |
| D-HUND | as root? | 22:27 |
| Guest66 | oh I am in file | 22:27 |
| D-HUND | hmm, maybe that was bad advise from my side | 22:27 |
| D-HUND | right | 22:28 |
| D-HUND | at the top there should be a line starting with: | 22:28 |
| D-HUND | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux | 22:28 |
| D-HUND | comment it. meaning, put a # in front of it. like: | 22:28 |
| D-HUND | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux | 22:29 |
| Guest66 | yes it went into heading line | 22:30 |
| D-HUND | now we need to save it | 22:30 |
| Guest66 | I should go back and restart editor | 22:30 |
| Guest66 | restart terminal then editor | 22:31 |
| D-HUND | wait | 22:31 |
| D-HUND | I need to find an editor which is installed AND I am familiar with.... | 22:32 |
| Guest66 | I dont seem to have any control over the commands in the editor. what is carat capitol on keyboard | 22:32 |
| D-HUND | I am sorry, I do not know the default editor | 22:33 |
| D-HUND | ahhh, maybe evim | 22:34 |
| D-HUND | so: restart terminal. become root arain (su -) | 22:34 |
| D-HUND | *again | 22:34 |
| Guest66 | restart terminal su - | 22:34 |
| D-HUND | then: evim /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:34 |
| D-HUND | add said # to the deb cdrom: line(s) at the top | 22:35 |
| D-HUND | then: menu --> save | 22:36 |
| D-HUND | then: close evim | 22:36 |
| D-HUND | then: apt-get install git | 22:36 |
| D-HUND | brb | 22:36 |
| Guest66 | -bash: evim: command not found | 22:37 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: What is your preferred text editor? | 22:37 |
| yeti | try sed -i ? (and backup the file 1st?) | 22:38 |
| Guest66 | I got no preferences, Need what is installed sorry I do not have a external box dvd player | 22:38 |
| D-HUND | uhm, dudes, keep it simple. beginner there | 22:38 |
| D-HUND | what is the default editor for lxde? | 22:39 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: To edit your sources.list file, I recommend running 'apt edit-sources' with root privileges. | 22:39 |
| yeti | . o O ( thats too new for me. ) | 22:40 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: If you are asked to select a default text editor and 'nano' is an option, I suggest selecting that as a beginner-friendly text editor. | 22:41 |
| D-HUND | Guest66: what plasma41 said. try "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" | 22:42 |
| Guest66 | yes got nano at top of page /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:42 |
| D-HUND | yay | 22:42 |
| D-HUND | now comment all the lines at the top that start with deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linu | 22:43 |
| D-HUND | like: #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linu.... | 22:43 |
| Guest66 | how do first line is deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914]/ daedalus> | 22:43 |
| Guest66 | i can see second line as a blank | 22:44 |
| D-HUND | right, add a # at the beginning | 22:44 |
| D-HUND | #deb cdrom:[Dev... | 22:44 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: If you are able to copy the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into a new paste on http://paste.debian.net and share the link to the paste in the chat, that will help us to give you good advise on how to edit it. | 22:45 |
| D-HUND | when done, ctrl-o to save the file. then ctrl-x to quit the editor | 22:45 |
| D-HUND | plasma41: goal is to disable the CDROM line(s) | 22:46 |
| D-HUND | after a fresh install there should only be one at the top | 22:46 |
| D-HUND | maybe two | 22:47 |
| Guest66 | back space over first line | 22:47 |
| D-HUND | what does that mean? | 22:47 |
| plasma41 | D-HUND: If there happen to be no entries for package repository servers, merely removing cdrom lines will be insufficient. | 22:48 |
| D-HUND | plasma41: it's a fresh install | 22:48 |
| D-HUND | oh | 22:48 |
| D-HUND | I assumed a repo should have been added by the installer | 22:49 |
| Guest66 | wipe out first line, leaving deb adding a #devuan | 22:49 |
| plasma41 | D-HUND: And it may well have. With a paste of the contents of the file, we can verify that. | 22:49 |
| Guest66 | not devuan | 22:50 |
| Guest66 | that is added by chat | 22:50 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: We can better understand and help you if you write in complete sentences. I don't know what you mean by 'not devuan'. | 22:51 |
| D-HUND | Guest66: can you paste the content of the file to https://paste.debian.net/ as described below: | 22:55 |
| D-HUND | open that link in browser, then open the file again: nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:55 |
| D-HUND | then use the mouse to select all the text in there, alt-tab to the browser, move the mouse cursor into the "Code:..." field and press middle mouse button (well, the scroll wheel) | 22:55 |
| D-HUND | then click "Send" and paste the resulting link using the same method into your irc client | 22:55 |
| Guest66 | what is the line to put into editor | 22:55 |
| D-HUND | how many lines are there? | 22:56 |
| Guest66 | if I wipe out the first line | 22:56 |
| Guest66 | none | 22:56 |
| D-HUND | ok, plasma41 was right | 22:56 |
| D-HUND | one moment.... | 22:56 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: Which version of Devuan did you install? | 22:57 |
| Guest66 | I can reopen the editor | 22:57 |
| Guest66 | uh, 5.01 | 22:57 |
| Guest66 | daedulus install with the syn some thing | 22:57 |
| Guest66 | the oldest of the --- | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | speech synthesis? | 22:58 |
| Guest66 | no , there was option of three things during install | 22:58 |
| D-HUND | Guest66: make the content of the file look like: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1336577 | 22:58 |
| D-HUND | you cyn cpoy and paste that as described above (select using mouse, then paste using MMB) | 22:59 |
| D-HUND | *can | 22:59 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: Adding the line 'deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main' to /etc/apt/sources.list should get you what I think you need. | 22:59 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: D-HUND's example is more complete than mine, but mine is a bare minimum. | 23:01 |
| Guest66 | eidtor have a save | 23:02 |
| D-HUND | ctrl-o | 23:02 |
| D-HUND | then ctrl-x | 23:02 |
| D-HUND | then re-try: apt-get install git | 23:04 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: Ctrl-S will save the file under its current filename, whereas Ctrl-O gives the option to 'O'utput the buffer to any filename. Be sure to save your change at the file's original filename and location. | 23:05 |
| Guest66 | reopening editor | 23:06 |
| Guest66 | I lost all the previous things to do | 23:07 |
| D-HUND | hehe | 23:07 |
| Guest66 | back to root | 23:08 |
| D-HUND | ok, you've opened the file as root? | 23:08 |
| Guest66 | forgot how to start editor i could look it up, but it would be faster if | 23:09 |
| Guest66 | I previousllyl got message bout could not parse command when I closed editor before | 23:09 |
| D-HUND | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:10 |
| Guest66 | I see line I put in | 23:10 |
| Guest66 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ | 23:10 |
| D-HUND | make it look like: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1336577 | 23:11 |
| D-HUND | the first line is important | 23:11 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: That line is incomplete. The full line is 'deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main' | 23:11 |
| D-HUND | the following two not so much if you do not intend to use devuan in the future | 23:11 |
| Guest66 | I have a special character in your line an arrow in front of daedalus main | 23:12 |
| Guest66 | what do I type in for that character | 23:12 |
| D-HUND | just remove it | 23:13 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: There should only be a space between 'deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/' and 'daedalus main'. | 23:14 |
| Guest66 | i have a / | 23:15 |
| D-HUND | I'd like to teach you how to c'n'p on linux, could make things much smoother | 23:16 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: The '/', if present, should directly follow 'merged'. | 23:17 |
| Guest66 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedulus main | 23:18 |
| Guest66 | I have a space in place of arrow or funny looking up arrow. | 23:18 |
| D-HUND | almost "daedalus" but that might just be a typo | 23:18 |
| Guest66 | I am astonaished at an editor that will not backspace | 23:19 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: D-HUND's examples do not have a '/' following 'merged'. Mine do, because that's what I have in my own sources.list file. | 23:19 |
| D-HUND | oh. totally mmissed that | 23:19 |
| Guest66 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedulus main | 23:20 |
| D-HUND | yay | 23:20 |
| D-HUND | well, daedalus | 23:21 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: That looks correct. | 23:21 |
| Guest66 | is there suppose to be a ' just behind / | 23:21 |
| plasma41 | ^ | 23:21 |
| D-HUND | no ' | 23:21 |
| D-HUND | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main | 23:21 |
| Guest66 | ctrl o | 23:22 |
| Guest66 | enter | 23:22 |
| Guest66 | ctrl x | 23:22 |
| D-HUND | right | 23:22 |
| D-HUND | then: | 23:22 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: The spelling is 'daedalus', not 'daedulus'. | 23:22 |
| D-HUND | apt-get install git | 23:22 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# apt-get install git | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | Reading package lists... Done | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | Building dependency tree... Done | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | Reading state information... Done | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | E: Unable to locate package git | 23:23 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# | 23:23 |
| D-HUND | hehe, what plasma41 | 23:23 |
| D-HUND | said | 23:23 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: First run 'apt update' once. | 23:23 |
| D-HUND | right | 23:24 |
| D-HUND | sorry | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# apt update | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedulus InRelease | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | Err:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedulus Release | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | 404 Not Found [IP: 185.178.192.43 80] | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | Reading package lists... Done | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedulus Release' does not have a Release file. | 23:24 |
| Guest66 | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. | 23:25 |
| Guest66 | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 23:25 |
| Guest66 | root@mint:~# | 23:25 |
| D-HUND | hehe | 23:25 |
| D-HUND | <plasma41> Guest66: The spelling is 'daedalus', not 'daedulus'. | 23:25 |
| Guest66 | hmm | 23:28 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: If you correct the spelling of daedalus in /etc/apt/sources.list and rerun 'apt update', then 'apt-get install git' should finally work. | 23:30 |
| Guest66 | that last copy and post lost my abiity to post here | 23:32 |
| Guest66 | git installed | 23:32 |
| plasma41 | :-D | 23:32 |
| Guest66 | thank you, I think the misspelling was becuase it kept older version of file | 23:33 |
| D-HUND | \o/ | 23:34 |
| Guest66 | I am also suprised that the first install of Devuan would not offer repos. | 23:34 |
| Guest66 | but I should buy an external dvd player, burn dvds | 23:34 |
| Guest66 | which I understand how to do | 23:34 |
| D-HUND | it's an option in the installer. my fresh installs do have the repo (but also that annoying CDROM line) | 23:34 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: It depends on how the install was performed. If the install was performed offline, that probably played a factor. | 23:36 |
| D-HUND | btw, Guest66, did you the expert install? or the regular one? | 23:36 |
| Guest66 | regular, I huh spend hours trying to install from live CD and i did not know how to set partitions | 23:36 |
| Guest66 | I installed to lvm, whole disk | 23:37 |
| D-HUND | yah, ever since UEFI partitioning bacame a hassle | 23:37 |
| Guest66 | and blanked hard drive with gparted to FAT32 | 23:37 |
| Guest66 | let the autoinstaller do it for me | 23:37 |
| D-HUND | since you intend to use it temporarily only, anyting that works is fine | 23:38 |
| Guest66 | thank you sorroy to be so difficult. I think I will quit this project for today. | 23:38 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: And if you need to blame someone for proposing such a hard to spell release codename for Devuan, blame me. The Daedalus name is my fault. As was the name Chimaera. | 23:38 |
| D-HUND | 'real' partitioning comes with experience | 23:38 |
| plasma41 | Guest66: I'm glad we were able to help. | 23:39 |
| D-HUND | I wonder why synaptic did not work OOTB failing with missing privs | 23:40 |
| Guest66 | well there are quite a few steps to building the correct core boot. and I dont blame anyone, the problem with repos being renamed and not correct is all around Linux as are updates. besides, hard to believe but long ago I wrote code | 23:40 |
| Guest66 | I have a later git package four something. that is a tar ball. | 23:40 |
| D-HUND | Guest66: go with the packages from the repo. at least until they're not working due to age | 23:41 |
| D-HUND | but git probably will be the least problem with your task | 23:42 |
| D-HUND | *git version | 23:42 |
| Guest66 | well my goal is to flash rom core boot onto a laptop and install qubes | 23:42 |
| Guest66 | I only needed devuan for the coreboot | 23:42 |
| Guest66 | I still have a bunch of terms to look up for which versions of things that apply to my particular hardware. sigh. thanks, I thought I should explain what I am doing | 23:44 |
| D-HUND | you did, at the beginning | 23:44 |
| Guest66 | bye | 23:45 |
| D-HUND | cya! | 23:45 |
| plasma41 | o/ | 23:45 |
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