| Fnerd | hi | 16:02 |
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| Xenguy | fnord | 16:04 |
| Fnerd | i have my system upgraded from Chimaera to Daedalus and apt says it holds 464 packages back in there are apt and aptutis what can i do? | 16:05 |
| Xenguy | Fnerd, That doesn't sound like a typical upgrade scenario, which would make your situation some kind of edge case, but why? | 16:13 |
| Fnerd | hmm i dont know | 16:20 |
| Fnerd | waht info do you need? | 16:21 |
| Fnerd | there are some logs from the upgrade process or something? | 16:29 |
| golinux | I seem to remember something about that situation on the D1G forum. Maybe poke around there | 16:33 |
| Fnerd | golinux: okay was it solved there? :-) | 16:34 |
| Fnerd | my last upgrade went painless and smooth | 16:35 |
| golinux | Fnerd: Yes. That scenario sounds familiar to me | 16:37 |
| Fnerd | hmm but what should i search the forums for?? | 16:41 |
| Fnerd | sorry for my noob/Stupid questions but i have no clue what i should do :-) | 16:42 |
| Xenguy | 'chimaera upgrade problem' | 16:43 |
| Xenguy | ? | 16:43 |
| golinux | Yes. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | do you have pinned packages? | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | look in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ | 17:01 |
| Fnerd | fsmithred: nothing in there | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | any additional sources in sources.list.d? | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | or run 'apt policy' to see what you have. | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | something maybe is not 500 | 17:13 |
| gnarface | Fnerd: did you use anything from chimaera-backports, or from any 3rd party repos? | 17:14 |
| gnarface | sometimes for various reasons (usually a simple string comparison snafu on the version check) those packages will hold back newer ones | 17:15 |
| Fnerd | fsmithred: no nothing in sources.list.d | 17:16 |
| Fnerd | is empty | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | did you install from a live-iso or from one of the installer isos? | 17:16 |
| Fnerd | i upgraded | 17:17 |
| Fnerd | and on the grub file i hit esc two times | 17:17 |
| fsmithred | do you have any non-free firmware installed, and does /etc/apt/sources.list have "non-free-firmware' in it? | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | that's a change from chimaera to daedalus. Wireless firmware got moved to a new section. | 17:19 |
| Fnerd | hmmm maybe i show you on a pastebin what i have done since reboot or there should a logfile somwhere from the upgrade process? | 17:29 |
| Fnerd | maybe thats better?? | 17:30 |
| Fnerd | ohz and its only a virtualbox vm devuan on a win 10 host | 17:30 |
| Fnerd | i hope i will be not get no help because i use win and not linux ;-) | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | many here are forced to use win at work. No worries. | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | use paste.debian.net | 17:38 |
| Fnerd | okay | 17:38 |
| Fnerd | hmm is it good to paste the complete apt log? | 17:53 |
| Fnerd | i have found ist :-) | 17:53 |
| Fnerd | i have found it :-) | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | maybe just the most recent upgrade | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | do you see anthing in it other than a bunch of packages that got installed? | 17:54 |
| Fnerd | the gpg file was changed | 18:00 |
| Fnerd | so i take the maintianers gpg file | 18:00 |
| Fnerd | is that right | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | Fnerd, I usually look at the differences to see if I changed anything | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | which gpg file? | 18:06 |
| gnarface | Fnerd: you did "apt-get dist-upgrade" not just "apt-get upgrade" right? | 18:07 |
| Fnerd | yep | 18:07 |
| gnarface | Fnerd: you didn't answer me about the chimaera-backports and 3rd party repo packages. if you have any of those you may have to force-upgrade or remove them first for the upgrade to complete | 18:21 |
| gnarface | think hard, it might have been a while ago | 18:21 |
| gnarface | something innocuous seeming can cause this type of block just because of a simple version string comparison issue (the version strings are just basically compared in lexical order using some weird field delimiter rules, so for example something like "3.12-bpo12" might look newer to the comparison than "4.0" or something might have a version string that's a datestamp like "20241102" which would do the same thing | 18:24 |
| gnarface | ) | 18:24 |
| gnarface | maybe wine, or firefox, or some wifi driver firmware? | 18:25 |
| gnarface | think about it for a while, and maybe search the output of "dpkg -l" for weird looking version strings | 18:25 |
| gnarface | backport packages will always have "bpo" in the version string so you can grep for those | 18:26 |
| gnarface | aptitude usually can be helpful diagnosing issues like this | 18:27 |
| Fnerd | there are firfox-esr vmware stuff kept back | 18:44 |
| gnarface | that's probably a clue | 18:48 |
| gnarface | does it tell you which dependencies are blocking the upgrade? | 18:49 |
| gnarface | like, if you just try to install firefox-esr from daedalus what error does it give you? | 18:52 |
| gnarface | and i think the vmware components are in non-free... you got non-free in your sources.list, right? | 18:54 |
| Fnerd | but ffmpg and xfce also | 19:14 |
| Fnerd | and apt | 19:14 |
| Fnerd | is this not strange? | 19:14 |
| gnarface | Fnerd: no, it's not really strange at all, it's in fact a very common problem people have, and i've tried to outline the common causes for you, but to give you a specific path to a fix i'm gonna need some of the information i asked for | 19:17 |
| CueXXIII | hm, can you upgrade apt secifically? apt-get install apt | 19:18 |
| Fnerd | let me see | 19:19 |
| gnarface | the list of possible causes is very short, and mostly only involves using backports or mixing distros or repos, but one other thing that comes to mind is i think we saw this happen once when someone was trying to upgrade a system where the previous upgrade hadn't been completed yet. as in, they were for example trying to upgrade a chimaera system to daedalus that still was half beowulf | 19:20 |
| Fnerd | CueXXIII: he tells me now hw will install apt :-) | 19:22 |
| CueXXIII | only apt? | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s safe-upgrade and/or aptitude -s dist-upgrade might give some alternative solutions. | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | the -s is --simulate | 19:25 |
| Fnerd | CueXXIII: no apt-utils gcc12-base libapt.pkg.06 libstdc++6 | 19:28 |
| CueXXIII | Fnerd: no packages removed? then go ahead, it could solve some dependency problems | 19:28 |
| Fnerd | CueXXIII: no | 19:29 |
| Fnerd | what why do i got apt-listchanges for unstable?? | 19:31 |
| Fnerd | should i do :q and go on? | 19:32 |
| CueXXIII | do you have apt-listchanges installed? it reads the changelogs from the .debs to be upgraded, so it works on any distribution | 19:32 |
| Fnerd | yep it was on screen after i typed Y | 19:33 |
| Fnerd | hmm now apt says it will 48 packeges update | 19:41 |
| Fnerd | i will allow that and see if it blows up | 19:42 |
| Fnerd | right? | 19:42 |
| gnarface | yes, and keep at it | 19:42 |
| gnarface | after those upgrade, pick another held package and call for it to be upgraded specifically | 19:43 |
| Fnerd | or should i install all that packeges like apt? | 19:43 |
| Fnerd | okay | 19:43 |
| Fnerd | but first the 48 packges right? | 19:43 |
| gnarface | yes. usually it's just one or two packages holding back all the others. if you install from the list of held packages until you run out of ones that don't complain, you'll eventually find the one that's the problem by deduction | 19:44 |
| gnarface | .. and when you find that one, show us the error it gives you | 19:44 |
| Fnerd | okay i will for now it runs smooth | 20:02 |
| Fnerd | hmm wohooo 97 packges remain :-) | 20:38 |
| Fnerd | whoohoo i'm done with the upgrade | 22:35 |
| Fnerd | all fine | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | :) | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | Did you ever figure out which package was the culprit? | 22:36 |
| Fnerd | hmm nope | 22:46 |
| Fnerd | packge after packge | 22:47 |
| Fnerd | problem solved | 22:47 |
| gnarface | weird | 22:47 |
| gnarface | i wonder if vmware could have something to do with it? seems like something i'd seen on sid before once, but on bare metal... | 22:48 |
| Fnerd | okay | 22:48 |
| Fnerd | when i go to sleep i will reboot the thing | 22:49 |
| Fnerd | but the fun gos on and on i have a debain 10 vm here | 22:49 |
| Fnerd | that would be fun :-) | 22:49 |
| CueXXIII | Fnerd: well, skipping a release is not supported by debian, so you want to upgrade it to 11 first | 23:07 |
| Fnerd | CueXXIII: yep i know that | 23:56 |
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