| darwin | do root and the wheel (or sudo, whatever you call it) users have different .bashrc and are originals readable on a webpage? | 05:23 |
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| darwin | or some OS have the originals saved somewhere called 'skel(eton)'? | 05:23 |
| debdog | /etc/skel/.bashrc | 05:28 |
| darwin | thanks | 05:28 |
| darwin | is it same for root? | 05:29 |
| debdog | and yes, AFAIK root has a different .bashrc than ordinary users. the one in skel proly is for ordinary users | 05:29 |
| rwp | darwin, wheel is BSD, root is all of the rest. | 05:30 |
| rwp | Both are GID 0. | 05:30 |
| rwp | Quite typically and Devuan is typical the /root/.profile arrives from the installer copy which is different from the version installed for users copied from /etc/skel/.profile | 05:30 |
| rwp | However root only has a couple of things special such as "mesg n" should be set for root. And PATH for root should arrive logged in okay but will include the sbin directories in addition to the rest. | 05:32 |
| darwin | so where's root's skel? | 05:51 |
| debdog | as rwp said, it prolly is generated by the installer | 05:54 |
| debdog | for security reasons it is a tad stricter than a user's one. but you can still use the one from skel for your root account | 05:55 |
| debdog | sorry, I do not have a plain one at hand right now | 05:55 |
| darwin | i have a different one | 05:57 |
| rwp | I happen to have a Devuan 4 Chimeara (Debian 11 Bullseye actually) one handy: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1331949 | 05:59 |
| rwp | I usually replace the original ones with my own because I am a picky person and like a more polished one on my own systems. | 06:00 |
| darwin | i'm on Devuan 5 though... | 06:00 |
| debdog | I don't think that file changed | 06:01 |
| darwin | i said .bashrc ... on one Devuan PC /root/.bashrc is different than /home/user/.bashrc (sudo/wheel user) | 06:01 |
| rwp | There is so little changes in those from release to release that I doubt it will be different. Don't you have one on your Devuan 5 Daedalus system? | 06:01 |
| rwp | Nothing but comments in the installer's /root/.bashrc file: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1331950 | 06:02 |
| darwin | okay | 06:03 |
| rwp | I know you are doing both FreeBSD and Devuan so I will say this hint. root:root is numbers 0:0 on Devuan and almost every System V derived system. root:wheel is numbers 0:0 on FreeBSD and all of the BSD derived systems. The numbers are 0:0 and that's what matters to the system. But the names given to them are different. | 06:04 |
| rwp | Why wheel? Because if you have root then you are a Big Wheel! Important. That's the joke of it. And Unix is filled with jokes. | 06:05 |
| rwp | The Linux kernel does not *require* to be in a root group (aka wheel group) nor sudo group. BSD does. Linux kernel does not. | 06:06 |
| rwp | On Devuan sudo is not even installed by default. | 06:06 |
| debdog | found a VM with a plain /root/.bashrc. I confirm just commented lines. uncomment for colorized ls and some aliases | 06:08 |
| darwin | good | 06:35 |
| avir327 | cousin_luigi: I don't understand, 802.11r works better than what? | 10:05 |
| cousin_luigi | avir327: With the clients using iwd instead of wpa_supplicant. | 10:12 |
| cousin_luigi | At least that was my limited experience. | 10:12 |
| buZz | is 802.11r not wifi6 or something | 10:13 |
| avir327 | cousin_luigi: it's a "roaming" extension | 10:13 |
| buZz | oh | 10:13 |
| buZz | ty avir327 | 10:14 |
| avir327 | buZz ^^^ | 10:14 |
| cousin_luigi | avir327: I know, I use two APs. | 10:14 |
| buZz | we likely use that at the hackerspace , lol | 10:14 |
| buZz | we have 3x aruba whatevermodel | 10:14 |
| cousin_luigi | In my case it's openwrt. | 10:14 |
| buZz | fyi, esp8266/esp32 dont really work well with it, they're often confused when APs turn on | 10:14 |
| buZz | and just connect to furthest away AP :D lol | 10:14 |
| buZz | takes some minutes, eventually the arubas fix it themselves by handing over | 10:15 |
| cousin_luigi | I'm seeing that. I have to look into FT over DS instead of FT over the air that I'm using now. | 10:15 |
| buZz | some clients allow tweaking those times too | 10:15 |
| buZz | but i havent seen such configs on the esp's wifi stack | 10:15 |
| buZz | they might exist though | 10:16 |
| avir327 | I have focus on wired connections... WiFi is "bonus" and when wired authenticates succeeds, it works wirelessly, too. | 10:17 |
| avir327 | authentication | 10:18 |
| buZz | you're using EAP-alike for ethernet? | 10:19 |
| avir327 | yes, EAP-TLS with machine certs | 10:21 |
| avir327 | in a M$ environment | 10:21 |
| avir327 | sucks. | 10:21 |
| buZz | gee | 10:21 |
| buZz | you're making some battleground ;) | 10:22 |
| buZz | good luck :) | 10:22 |
| avir327 | :-) | 10:22 |
| avir327 | You can't polish shit - but you can turn it in glitter. | 10:23 |
| avir327 | nough sarcasm. gotta get to work. | 10:24 |
| buZz | you can polish turds, but not without getting your hands dirty ;) | 10:25 |
| avir327 | I have spare glitter. | 10:32 |
| edsonwolf | Boa tarde. Estou usando devian excalibur, quando tutto suspender el suspension mas n [] não liga tudo igual [] no devuan daedalus. Algum feedback? | 17:31 |
| edsonwolf | Good afternoon. I'm using devian excalibur, when tutto suspend el suspension but n [] doesn't turn on all the same [] in devuan daedalus. Any feedback? | 17:32 |
| edsonwolf | Good afternoon. I am using devian excalibur, when tutto suspend el suspension but n [] does not turn off all the same [] in devuan daedalus. Any feedback? | 17:32 |
| edsonwolf | Sorry | 17:32 |
| Alverstone | what do you mean? | 17:33 |
| edsonwolf | When I check to suspend in the suspend option in xfce4, it suspends but does not turn off the source. | 17:36 |
| edsonwolf | And by command the same thing | 17:38 |
| edsonwolf | echo "mem" > /sys/power/state | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | suspend to RAM - must have some power | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | hibernate to disk does not need power | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | and to hibernate, your swap must be bigger than your RAM | 17:39 |
| wolf_ | https://imgur.com/a/ChJiKkv | 17:46 |
| wolf_ | https://imgur.com/a/ChJiKkv | 17:47 |
| morenonatural | hey, y'all ... I'm aware that using bluetooth with linux distros can be frustrating, but ... I've been having some issues that I'd like to research, although I don't know where to start looking | 17:50 |
| morenonatural | sometimes my keyboard starts getting sticky keys and, most of the times, disconnecting and connecting the usb dongle will bring it back to normal | 17:51 |
| morenonatural | I tried `service bluetooth restart`, but it doesn't have the same "reset" effect: the keys are still sticky and sometimes the keyboard will not connect back | 17:52 |
| morenonatural | any suggestions? I check dmesg, but not much info other than "usb dongle connected/disconnected" | 17:53 |
| Alverstone | I still have nightmares over kernel panicking because of faulty bluetooth drivers | 17:56 |
| wolf_ | SHA-256 checksum for /home/wolf/Imagens/Captura de tela_2024-10-11_11-41-52.png (remote): f359319b3a6746b44e9ae2fb424a0a9300a4592dab3b5e86d21a22216f67e767 | 18:27 |
| djph | morenonatural: blame the dongle hardware. Is this a laptop with integrated BT? | 19:17 |
| Alverstone | djph, there's all and every possibility of the driver simply being bad, but debugging kernel code isn't trivial at all | 19:22 |
| Alverstone | the only way is to contact developers and prepare mentally for a long run into nothingness | 19:23 |
| djph | Alverstone: which is why I started at "blame the hardware, try integrated bluetooth" ... | 19:28 |
| djph | Of course, if it's not real bluetooth (or the PC doesn't have it), well then it's a lot harder | 19:28 |
| Alverstone | djph, what's integrated bluetooth | 19:28 |
| djph | Alverstone: the BT that lives alongside your wifi card, rather than is connected via USB dongle, as morenonatural mentioned using. | 19:29 |
| Alverstone | Nearly every laptop has integrated BT | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | and most of them a abominably laggy | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | are* | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | on Linux, that is | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | Windows as always works all right | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | if you google, there are sites listing linux compatible hardware, BT dongles among them | 19:33 |
| Alverstone | on Kali Linux wiki or forum, maybe elsewhere | 19:33 |
| djph | Alverstone: it's almost like you're missing the key concept of troubleshooting the issue morenonatural is having. | 19:33 |
| Alverstone | pretty sure Gentoo folks have a page on this subj as well | 19:33 |
| Alverstone | djph, didn't he mean the dongle that goes with the keyboard? | 19:34 |
| djph | yes ... and I'm saying "blame the dongle for a minute and -- assuming you've got a laptop -- check the BT that's integrated into the machine" | 19:36 |
| Alverstone | now it's clear thanks | 19:36 |
| Alverstone | didn't understand you initially | 19:36 |
| djph | If that works without issue, then morenonatural can be certain the 2 cent dongle that came with the keyboard is the problem. If it doesn't fix it (or it's not a laptop, or it's not actually bluetooth) ... well, boo | 19:37 |
| joerg | move the dongle away from other similar transmitters, like WLAN etc. Also keep a minimum distance of 50cm between dongle and kbd (/mouse) | 20:09 |
| joerg | too close distance between TX and RX may actually cause problems, overloading the receiver's input stage | 20:10 |
| joerg | applies as well for unrelated other RF signals on same frequency band, like WLAN | 20:11 |
| joerg | so when e.g. WLAN signal overloads BT dongle's input stage, then the dongle can't receive any more BT either | 20:12 |
| Alverstone | depends on quality | 20:12 |
| Alverstone | i remember arriving to a dorm with a very bad wifi card and i just couldn't use internet :) | 20:13 |
| Alverstone | it connected, but speed was about -1b/s | 20:13 |
| Alverstone | sometimes -2 | 20:13 |
| joerg | the quantity of that effect's impact depends on quality of the receiver input stage. The effect as such always exists | 20:13 |
| Alverstone | had to use usb adapter to lan | 20:14 |
| morenonatural | djph, it's actually a recommended usb dongle from several sites ... that assuming it's not a knock off | 20:14 |
| morenonatural | digging more deeply, it's broadcom | 20:14 |
| morenonatural | so I can blame it on broadcom, mainly | 20:14 |
| morenonatural | joerg, I hear you... although that doesn't take care of the problem as unplugging-and-plugging the usb dongle erases the problem | 20:15 |
| joerg | did you try plugging the dongle to a different USB port, maybe even to a BT etension cable or hub? | 20:15 |
| morenonatural | joerg, ish... another port in same set-of-usb-ports from same motherboard and a port _connected_ to the motherboard (in the chasis, connected to same motherboard) | 20:17 |
| morenonatural | I wouldn't be asking if unplugging-and-plugging didn't take care of the problem, but it does | 20:17 |
| morenonatural | whereas `service bluetooth restart` doesn't | 20:18 |
| morenonatural | 😰 | 20:18 |
| joerg | morenonatural: I don't instantly buy the "it erases the problem". The stuck keys are because the key-up message got lost due to packet-loss. THIS will get fixed with un- and re-plugging the dongle. Interference between the dongle's signal and a nearby WLAN or babyphone or whatever though is unrelated and occurs on a pseudo-random rate | 20:18 |
| joerg | but of course it's worth using a different make/brand of BT dongle, as well | 20:20 |
| joerg | to test | 20:20 |
| morenonatural | this is actually the second brand, the previous one had intermitent problems (disconnects?) that made it most unusable | 20:21 |
| joerg | those dongles locking up and needing a hard power-cycle to recover isn't unheard of | 20:21 |
| morenonatural | worth noting: I have a macbook that never has this problem, ceteris paribus | 20:21 |
| morenonatural | which doesn't rule out the keyboard being buggy... I also use a bt mouse and bt speaker connected to the same dongle and they both work without a hitch, regardless of how good/bad the keyboard is working | 20:24 |
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