| devuanconsumer_ | I have a problem using redshift and xsct I believe because my monitor isn't detected. I have installed firmware-amd-graphics without success. I have a Radeon Pro W6300 graphics card | 05:01 |
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| devuanconsumer_ | plz help | 05:01 |
| gnarface | stick around, be patient, someone can probably help | 05:02 |
| devuanconsumer_ | lol i always come in with problems | 05:02 |
| devuanconsumer_ | lol | 05:02 |
| gnarface | why is it that you think your monitor isn't detected? | 05:02 |
| gnarface | usually that wouldn't show any display at all | 05:02 |
| gnarface | you get picture though, right? | 05:03 |
| devuanconsumer_ | when i open display it says "unknown display" and the resolution is correct at 2560x1440, refresh rate is 93 hz but i can't click on them: they're greyed out. | 05:03 |
| devuanconsumer_ | yeah i do | 05:03 |
| devuanconsumer_ | i am using it now lol | 05:03 |
| gnarface | i've never used redshift before, but i think it might depend on colord, do you have colord installed? | 05:03 |
| adhoc | which distro version is this ? | 05:04 |
| gnarface | i'm also pretty sure that last i heard it only works in Xorg, not wayland | 05:04 |
| adhoc | what is colord ? | 05:04 |
| devuanconsumer_ | daedalus | 05:04 |
| devuanconsumer_ | i am using cinnamon | 05:04 |
| devuanconsumer_ | yes colord is installed | 05:05 |
| gnarface | adhoc: it's something from contrib that the nvidia drivers pull in if you don't disable recommends. they nvidia-settings hooks into it for dynamic color correction, which aiui is a superset of redshift functionality | 05:05 |
| adhoc | oh ok | 05:05 |
| adhoc | am yet to upgrade any machines to daedalus | 05:06 |
| adhoc | well, i did upgrade my play laptop and libraries shat, so i blew it away and installed netbsd 10 to play with | 05:06 |
| devuanconsumer_ | well actually i think the reason my monitor is greyed out and redshift / xsct doesn't work is because the drivers are not for my graphics card | 05:07 |
| gnarface | you're not doing anything weird with monitor cable adapters or anything like that, are you? like using analog vga adapter or something like that? | 05:10 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure where the device support list for that package is... | 05:11 |
| gnarface | oh, looks like it's in the long description for the package: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=firmware-amd-graphics=20230210-5 | 05:13 |
| gnarface | there's a newer one in backports you could try | 05:13 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that's your issue yet though | 05:13 |
| lru | freem: is it possible to build a non-module based kernel and still use initramfs for booting? my guess is yes, but 100% sure | 05:17 |
| adhoc | lru: you could, but it would be quite large | 05:17 |
| lru | the kernel, or the initramfs? | 05:18 |
| lru | adhoc: I dream of building a kernel for my exact hardware and software needs someday, and nothing else | 05:18 |
| adhoc | i was trying to build specific kernels for specific machines, so there was no modules, but USB stuff did not work | 05:18 |
| adhoc | you need dynamic loading of some systems | 05:19 |
| * lru is sad | 05:19 | |
| adhoc | it was many megabytes, | 05:19 |
| adhoc | i had to rebuild it all quite a few times to get the memory foot print down | 05:19 |
| adhoc | as the machine was A) tiny, B) old, C) had 512MB | 05:19 |
| adhoc | D) had history with me, wanted it to be useful and reuse it again | 05:20 |
| lru | are you saying that when you unplug a USB device, the module is unloaded from the kernel? | 05:20 |
| adhoc | lru: i also wanted to build it out to a pair of floppy disks | 05:20 |
| lru | i.e. they use modules to handle plugging and unplugging? | 05:20 |
| lru | mmmmmmmm, floppy disks | 05:20 |
| lru | would do me no good on a thinkpad | 05:21 |
| adhoc | lru: something can be compiled in, some need to be modules | 05:22 |
| adhoc | may take you some experimentation. | 05:22 |
| adhoc | first step is to remove all the things you do not need. | 05:22 |
| lru | adhoc: thanks.... sounds like initramfs is not the problem then... but other things... and tedium | 05:22 |
| adhoc | chop out support for hardware you do not have, etc | 05:22 |
| lru | yeah | 05:22 |
| adhoc | yeah, its all tedius | 05:22 |
| adhoc | but the joy of hand crafting the thing you want can be good too ;) | 05:23 |
| lru | :-) | 05:23 |
| devuanconsumer_ | i'm not doing anything weird with monitor cables | 05:31 |
| devuanconsumer_ | i tried the new amd-graphics driver in backports and it didn't work | 05:31 |
| devuanconsumer_ | guess i'm screwed | 05:31 |
| devuanconsumer_ | well when i have the right driver on my other computers the redshift works | 05:31 |
| devuanconsumer_ | but when i don't have the right graphics driver, it doesn't | 05:32 |
| gnarface | i would recommend finding out exactly which version you actually need for that video card | 05:33 |
| gnarface | it may need accompanying updates to Xorg, Mesa and the kernel, you should be able to find out which upstream versions contain all those fixes, then keep an eye out for them getting added to ceres | 05:36 |
| gnarface | (or just build and install them yourself, though that's much more work) | 05:36 |
| gnarface | but like i said, i'm still not sure that's the problem | 05:42 |
| gnarface | maybe the Xorg log would shed some light... if it's really not recognizing the display, there might be a workaround involving loading the display firmware directly into Xorg through the config file | 05:43 |
| gnarface | i had done that once myself before figuring out the actual issue was a syntax error elsewhere in my xorg config | 05:44 |
| devuanconsumer_ | how can i check the xorg log | 05:51 |
| devuanconsumer_ | i foudn it | 05:55 |
| devuanconsumer_ | what paste bin do we use here | 05:56 |
| devuanconsumer_ | https://pastebin.com/78sApWxg | 06:01 |
| devuanconsumer_ | here is what the log says | 06:01 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer_: paste.debian.net please | 06:49 |
| gnarface | pastebin has ads | 06:50 |
| devuanconsumer_ | http://paste.debian.net/1330458/ | 06:50 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer_: uh, yea, looks like your initial diagnosis may be correct. it seems to try the amdgpu driver then fail over to the fbdev driver, which would be exactly what one would expect to happen if the card isn't recognized by the driver because it's too new | 06:53 |
| rrq | ... "(EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory" | 06:53 |
| gnarface | yea, i think if it was a permissions error because of not being in the video group it might still give that error, so maybe make sure you're in the video group | 06:54 |
| gnarface | but it seems entirely likely the card is just too new of a model | 06:54 |
| devuanconsumer_ | how can i make sure i am in the video group | 06:55 |
| gnarface | run the command "groups" as your user | 06:55 |
| gnarface | if you're using a graphical login though it might not matter | 06:55 |
| gnarface | as root, check for that file actually existing | 06:55 |
| gnarface | if it actually doesn't exist, then it's for sure the driver | 06:55 |
| devuanconsumer_ | devuanconsumer cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner | 06:56 |
| devuanconsumer_ | root@devuanconsumer:/home/devuanconsumer# groups | 06:56 |
| devuanconsumer_ | root | 06:56 |
| devuanconsumer_ | it looks fine | 06:56 |
| rrq | and what about: ls -l /dev/dri/card0 | 07:10 |
| devuanconsumer_ | ls: cannot access '/dev/dri/card0': No such file or directory | 07:21 |
| gnarface | yea, if the kernel driver was working i'm pretty sure it would have created that file | 07:49 |
| gnarface | how recently was this hardware released? did you happen to try it in ceres? | 07:50 |
| gnarface | typically if it's been out at least 6 months or so they usually at least have something in ceres for it, otherwise your only choice really is to get it from upstream | 07:51 |
| gnarface | (or just wait) | 07:51 |
| freem | <lru> freem: is it possible to build a non-module based kernel and still use initramfs for booting? my guess is yes, but 100% sure | 08:47 |
| freem | how would I know? | 08:47 |
| MarcFP | hello | 10:02 |
| MarcFP | i see an issue with my graphic card again ... | 10:02 |
| MarcFP | https://dpaste.com/25FWCASY5 | 10:03 |
| MarcFP | but i have this vga card : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Alder Lake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] (rev 0c) | 10:03 |
| MarcFP | does anyone know how to solve it ? thanks for all and excuse agains my new baby user dummy question | 10:04 |
| djph | shame he left | 13:33 |
| djph | oh, 3 hours ago; oops | 13:33 |
| fatal | did the mirror path in sources.list change recently? | 15:00 |
| fatal | nvm maybe my system clock is off | 15:03 |
| joerg | another "Alder Lake-S" or just same user once again? | 16:04 |
| joerg | iirc the latter | 16:05 |
| joerg | difficult to help this guy | 16:05 |
| dvbst | hello | 16:16 |
| dvbst | you may or may not remember my previous problem, which was that after i migrated from devuan 4 to 5, i couldnt log in because the tty cleared and i couldnt do much | 16:17 |
| dvbst | now i updated again, and have the same problem, but discovered that it doesnt clear the screen, but just switches to tty7, where the display manager should appear, but it doesnt, because after the update i have no nvidia drivers | 16:18 |
| dvbst | how do i make it not constantly switch to tty7? | 16:20 |
| CueXXIII | seems like your display manager is running and trying to start X in a loop, but that crashes | 16:24 |
| CueXXIII | if you are fast enough you could stop your display manager | 16:24 |
| dvbst | im not fast enough | 16:26 |
| Xenguy | Does anyone know how to determine whether a laptop is running a spinning hard-drive or an SSD? | 16:32 |
| Xenguy | i.e. is there a way to determine this with software, or do I just have to look at the actual hard-drive? | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, smartmontools | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | smartctl -i /dev/sdX | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | Model Family: Crucial/Micron Client SSDs | 16:40 |
| temp_forever | or, inxi -Dxxx (if you have inxi installed) | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | I have one spinning drive that reports the rotation rate and one that does not | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | and probably hwinfo can do it too | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | MarcFP, if you stay logged in you might get an answer after some time. | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | Did you install the proprietary nvidia drivers? | 16:44 |
| temp_forever | Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm | 16:51 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, Tried hwinfo: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/07280346/ | 16:54 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, Line 2 says IDE, so that would indicate a spinning disk? | 16:54 |
| Xenguy | as opposed to an SSD? | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure that's right | 16:57 |
| Xenguy | Gonna try the smartmontools now (had to install it) | 16:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | /sys/block/sdX/queue/rotational should be either 1 or 0 | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | oh, cool | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | amazon says it's 7200rpm | 16:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I assume that's what decides if trmi is enabled | 16:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | trim | 16:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | or you can use lsblk ROTA | 17:00 |
| joerg | interesting | 17:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hitachi 320Gb 7200rpm from product number | 17:02 |
| Xenguy | I assume then that if the 'Rotation Rate' field were not present, then that itself would indicate the presence of an SSD? | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | I don't have /sys/block/queue | 17:02 |
| joerg | https://termbin.com/1h2a | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | or anything named rotational under sys/block | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, no, my WD Blue does not report a rotation rate. | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | it's not ssd | 17:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I do but not checked on Devuan. | 17:04 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: sorry ? about which question ? nvidia drivers ? | 17:04 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: i don't remember installed nvidia drivers ... let me check first of all, one second please | 17:05 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: ups!!! :Syes, i have installed nvidia packages :S | 17:05 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, Interesting, so conversely, if a 'Rotation Rate' *is* reported, then it would indicate a spinning disk? | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | you mentioned a problem with the vid card. Is there an actual problem or just the error messages? | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, yes, I hope so. Otherwise the world has gone totally insane. | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | oh wait... | 17:06 |
| Xenguy | haha | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | MarcFP, you probably should remove any nvidia packages you have installed. | 17:08 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: i have installed nvidia drivers ... but i don't have any nvidia driver | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | is there a problem with the display? | 17:09 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: now i don't have any problem with my display | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | ok, good. If you're not using nvidia hardware then you can remove the nvidia software. | 17:09 |
| MarcFP | but if i get which card has my computer, it gives to me that it has an intel card... not nvidia | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | right | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | lspci -k | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | will show you what is being used | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | under the VGA line | 17:10 |
| MarcFP | https://dpaste.com/83PENXVRZ | 17:11 |
| MarcFP | this is my output | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | and below that it will say what kernel driver and module is in use | 17:11 |
| joerg | -C5 | 17:12 |
| joerg | ? | 17:12 |
| MarcFP | joerg: it's for me ? | 17:12 |
| joerg | yep | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | what's that? | 17:12 |
| MarcFP | -C5 | 17:13 |
| joerg | grep --context=5 | 17:13 |
| MarcFP | but i don't understand :S | 17:13 |
| MarcFP | i have wireless problem | 17:14 |
| joerg | lspci | grep -C5 VGA | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | joerg, when I run that I don't see the lines for driver and module | 17:15 |
| joerg | to show a tad mire than one line | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | I think you need a -A5 | 17:16 |
| MarcFP | https://dpaste.com/9HBSARKCM | 17:16 |
| MarcFP | lspci -k get this result to me | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | i915 is intel | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | as expected | 17:16 |
| MarcFP | yes ... you are at good way fsmithred :) | 17:17 |
| MarcFP | i try to remove nvidia, then i should restart computer ... and i will cross my fingers ... becouse it should broke my X-window-system | 17:17 |
| MarcFP | let me check | 17:17 |
| fsmithred | ok, did you install firmware-realtek? You need that for wireless. | 17:17 |
| MarcFP | any way ... i gonna join to irssi and show what is happening | 17:18 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: mmm i think that yes ... but let me check :) | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | actually it looks like you did. | 17:18 |
| MarcFP | marc@debianHP:~$ dpkg -l | grep firmware-realtek | 17:19 |
| MarcFP | ii firmware-realtek 20230210-5 all Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters | 17:19 |
| MarcFP | it's done, yes ... you are at right way :) | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | you could have just said yes | 17:19 |
| MarcFP | ups ... jajaja excuse me | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | if you post too many lines, the bot will take your voice away | 17:20 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: ok | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | I need to go outside for a few minutes. | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | oh | 17:20 |
| MarcFP | https://dpaste.com/CPGBFCF64 <- this is my computer's nvidia driver list | 17:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | some WD drives are IntelliPower so the speed is variable. | 17:23 |
| MarcFP | as i understand, i can remove all of them, am i at the right way ? | 17:23 |
| MarcFP | :) | 17:35 |
| AlexLikeRock | good morning devuan guys ! | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | MarcFP, yes you can remove those. | 17:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | help https://paste.debian.net/1330496/ | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, did you use su to become root? Looks like you need to use 'su -' instead | 18:04 |
| MarcFP | fsmithred: thank's, see you, all of us, soon :) i must leave and again, thank's again :) | 18:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes i use "su -" | 18:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | trying "su " | 18:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/1330497/ | 18:06 |
| AlexLikeRock | noting change , | 18:07 |
| AlexLikeRock | just change to spanish !! :-> | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | su - | 18:08 |
| fsmithred | should give you root's full path includins sbins | 18:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, one more time "su -" | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | echo $PATH | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | should include /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | and the name of the package you want to install is locales not locale | 18:10 |
| AlexLikeRock | echo $PATH | 18:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | what were you trying to do when you got that output you posted? | 18:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | I'm trying to revive a partition, since X11 hasn't detected my mouse or keyboard for a few days. | 18:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | Today I wanted to update, to get back to the task. | 18:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | Oooops! its late , i need to go to the market | 18:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | i will back lates fsmithred | 18:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | tanks so much | 18:18 |
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