| brocashelm | i use a customized /etc/os-release | 01:20 |
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| brocashelm | is it safe to pin base-files so that it doesn't overwrite the file? | 01:20 |
| mason | brocashelm: You could also use dpkg-divert. That might be safer unless you have reason to hold the other stuff in base-files back. | 01:23 |
| rwp | +1 for dpkg-divert as the better way | 01:26 |
| brocashelm | it's mainly that i don't want prettyname to change from refracta to devuan | 01:49 |
| brocashelm | i have never messed with dpkg-divert | 01:49 |
| brocashelm | i just currently swap out the names and versions whenever i get an update | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | Do dpkg-divert. It's not too difficult and I would prefer that you tell me how to do it rather than figure it out myself and it can be part of the next refracta build so that you never have to edit that file again. | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | Here's an example. It can be done without creating a package and leaving out the --package option. | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/cryptsetup-modified-functions/src/branch/master/debian/preinst | 01:59 |
| fsmithred | This one is undo: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/cryptsetup-modified-functions/src/branch/master/debian/postrm | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | and also leaving out everything except the dpkg-divert command | 02:02 |
| rwp | Is Refracta going to declare that it is not Devuan? | 03:07 |
| fsmithred | no, it'll still show itself as devuan. I'd have to look at /etc/os-release to figure out which fields to mess with. | 03:09 |
| fsmithred | I like the idea that some third-party software actually recognizes devuan. | 03:10 |
| rwp | My own system provisioning scripts uses it to handle differences between Devuan, Debian, Ubuntu, Trisquel, Mint. | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | I used to change the name in /etc/lsb-release, and I see that mine says refracta 11 chimaera, but I'm running daedalus. | 03:15 |
| fsmithred | are there any fields that won't mess up your scripts or third-party softwre? | 03:16 |
| rwp | I don't know what is the right answer there. I just write my script to dance around every possible system difference. Devuan is currently nice and short. Debian is quite messy. I am using ID to get the system name (devuan, debian, ubuntu, etc) and VERSION_CODENAME to get chimaera, daedalus, etc. | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | any suggestions on a Linux-compatible USB webcam that more or less works-out-of-the-box? | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | my vx-800 seems to be dying or something--audio input is sketchy | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | lately; it used to work fine | 03:39 |
| rwp | Yes. I will recommend the Logitech C920s Pro USB camera. It works out of the box with in kernel drivers no problem. | 03:40 |
| systemdlete | audio input also, right? | 03:41 |
| rwp | And I have seen a lot of that particular camera being used by various free software groups here at conferences and such. Yes it has audio input too. | 03:41 |
| systemdlete | the web pages ddg hit all highly recommend that camera | 03:41 |
| systemdlete | ok, thanks, rwp! | 03:41 |
| rwp | Pre-pandemic it was US$50. Pandemic hit everyone needs a camera it went to US$110. I think it has come down in price since then now. | 03:42 |
| systemdlete | well, as long as it is not a fake ripoff (there is a lot of stuff on Amazon, eg., that is not the real mccoy) and works well, as you and the reviews say, then the money is not that big a deal atm | 03:44 |
| rwp | Amazon definitely has a counterfeit problem in general. I don't know about this particular product. But in general it's a problem. Bought a USB charger. It was good. I ordered the SAME THING 6-weeks later. A counterfeit arrived that couldn't fast charge. Close examination showed that it was a counterfeit. | 03:48 |
| rwp | I bought mine pre-pandemic from a brick-and-mortar store in person. | 03:48 |
| systemdlete | oh, how I long for Fry's Electronics... my favorite computer store, now defunct. | 03:49 |
| systemdlete | They had all kinds of cool shit, including tons and tons of stuff I would never even need. But just to see all these electronics parts was koooool | 03:50 |
| systemdlete | Newegg can't seem to get its act together lately, so I wonder how much longer THEY will be around. One seller shipped product to me via Amazon... and here, I thought I was doing a favor for competition, and they f-d me | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | then there was tigerdirect, which was very good, but they too are gone. | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | Amazon has successfully killed its competition. | 03:52 |
| systemdlete | I guess I can try Walmart and Target, but I am no fan of either of those than Amazon, tbh | 03:52 |
| gnarface | i concur on the matter of the "Logitech, Inc. HD Pro Webcam C920" however, one note: if you use uvcdynctrl instead of v4l2-ctl, you'll get access to a few extra features | 03:53 |
| systemdlete | but anyway, got a class to attend, online. Wish I had ordered this months ago | 03:53 |
| systemdlete | ah, thanks for that tip | 03:53 |
| systemdlete | I'll try to install that when the cam arrives. Yeah, it's north of $100, and one promises a 4 port USB3 hub | 03:54 |
| systemdlete | Not sure I need it, or why they are bundling that way, but maybe I should get the two together. | 03:54 |
| systemdlete | thanks rrq | 03:54 |
| systemdlete | thanks gnarface | 03:55 |
| gnarface | hmm, mine does not have a usb hub built-in | 03:55 |
| gnarface | they must have more than one revision | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | not a built-in, advertised as a separate piece | 03:55 |
| onefang | That was rwp, not rrq. | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | that's why I'm surprised at the cobo | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | oops | 03:55 |
| rwp | Mine does not have a USB hub either. Just the camera and audio. | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | hi rrq | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | thanks rwp | 03:55 |
| * systemdlete will see about ordering new fingers more compatible with a keyboard! | 03:56 | |
| systemdlete | bbl | 03:56 |
| gnarface | i also have a "Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd HP Deluxe Webcam KQ246AA" that works fine, might be cheaper (in my head the box for this also said logitech, but i'm not sure now) | 03:56 |
| gnarface | oh, no, my bad, the thing clearly has a HP logo on it, i must have just munged the two memories in my head | 03:57 |
| gnarface | but yea it also has a mic | 03:57 |
| rwp | Whenever I visited California I always stopped in at Fry's. It was such an interesting place. It was the gas station convenience store. You could buy a gallon of milk to go with your ram chips. | 03:57 |
| gnarface | somewhat lower res than the C920 but still suitable for conferencing | 03:58 |
| rwp | I also have an ancient Creative Labs camera but literally that's another example where 6 months later I tried to buy the same model again and this time it was the vendor that changed the manufacturing line and the same part number camera was then completely different internally, compressing the data stream making it opaque to the free software driver, and it still doesn't work. I pull it out and try it every so often. But it's ancient | 03:59 |
| rwp | now. I gave the original one away in 2020. | 03:59 |
| gnarface | that happened to me with an older Creative Labs camera | 04:00 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: https://dpaste.org/48DWr | 04:00 |
| brocashelm | that's how i set my os-release file each time | 04:00 |
| rwp | I think ID should definitely always be lower case. | 04:05 |
| rwp | Same with ID_LIKE too. | 04:05 |
| rwp | NAME and PRETTY_NAME can be stylized. | 04:05 |
| onefang | I would expect something called PRETTY_NAME could be made pretty. | 04:06 |
| onefang | I was just reading about the new emojis. lol | 04:07 |
| rwp | I will also ask to please no multi-byte characters in those anywhere either, though NAME and PRETTY_NAME would be acceptable there. | 04:08 |
| onefang | So all we need do is convince Unicode to include the Devuan swoosh. | 04:14 |
| brocashelm | i'm keeping them as is | 04:33 |
| brocashelm | that was to show how i have mine set up, which works for my use cases | 04:33 |
| FatPhil | rwp - those cameras are from ~1995? I remember the ones from that era as I was working in video conferencing, and we had to know what the competitors were doing. | 09:37 |
| rwp | FatPhil, No not a 1990s camera. The Logitech C920S Pro HD is a modern era 1080p Full HD camera so not 4K but good. Not sure when it started to be seen but I see reviews from 2021. And yet Tom's Hardware reviewed it just this year so it is still considered relevant. | 18:42 |
| FatPhil | you and I have different perspectives on "ancient", clearly! | 20:17 |
| rwp | FatPhil, Oh! Were you talking about the Creative Labs one? Yes that was from the 1990s. I was talking about the recent Logitech camera. | 20:51 |
| rwp | The Creative Labs one was yet another example where you can't buy the same thing twice in a row and have it be the same. Same part number but the second one had a completely different (non-free driver) chipset. Totally bad. Same vendor and same part number! | 20:51 |
| gnarface | does the Creative Labs camera in question happen to use the ov511 driver? just wondering if it's actually same one i have here (one of 3 incompatible revisions in the wild, iirc) | 21:18 |
| gnarface | hmm, or i guess i think it used to be called ov511 anyway...not seeing it in current kernel builds | 21:21 |
| gnarface | i haven't bothered taking that one out in a while, the picture quality they were able to attain never managed to approach the windows software, and it uses more power than the newer cameras, enough more that it's problematic trying to drive it from small ARM SoC boards | 21:22 |
| FatPhil | creative labs were pretty terrible for that, with everything they made, they were changing chipset suppliers all the time. I remember buying an IDE creative labs DVD drive, and it didn't talk IDE to my motherboard properly. There was a windows driver, but it never worked in linux. | 21:27 |
| rwp | gnarface, I gave that camera away in 2020 so I don't know and don't have an easy way to find out. And the replacement which was different I still have only because it is worthless. I should scrap it out. | 21:56 |
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