| alphalpha | hey all | 01:06 |
|---|---|---|
| alphalpha | do we have some openrc users here? | 01:06 |
| alphalpha | it looks to me like rc-status is not working | 01:07 |
| alphalpha | i does not matter if i start or stop a service, rc-status will always show the original state | 01:08 |
| alphalpha | can someone with openrc stop a service and then confirm with "rc-status -s" that it is stopped | 01:09 |
| plasma41 | alphalpha: Which versions of Devuan and OpenRC are you using? | 01:35 |
| alphalpha | openrc 0.45.2-2 (daedalus) | 01:45 |
| al1r4d | alphalpha, not me | 02:03 |
| adhoc | morning all | 02:08 |
| al1r4d | morning adhoc | 04:12 |
| golinux | Bedtime here . . . | 04:51 |
| adhoc | hi there al1r4d | 06:33 |
| al1r4d | hi adhoc | 06:51 |
| adhoc | is quiet here today | 06:56 |
| jimboy | Blank Display on Ryzen and other recent AMD CPUs | 07:21 |
| jimboy | how to download the non free firmware to fix the issue | 07:21 |
| al1r4d | never have ryzen, so i cant help, sorry | 07:25 |
| jimboy | thanks anyway al1r4d | 07:27 |
| gnarface | jimboy: the package is called "firmware-amd-graphics" and as of current stable Debian has moved them from the section "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" | 07:30 |
| gnarface | if you don't know how to apply that change to your sources.list let me know | 07:30 |
| jimboy | yes I don't know | 07:31 |
| gnarface | (you will probably also need a bunch of mesa packages from main) | 07:31 |
| gnarface | alright, stand by | 07:31 |
| jimboy | I'll take notes | 07:31 |
| gnarface | here, make your /etc/apt/sources.list match this example https://paste.debian.net/1326953/ | 07:32 |
| gnarface | then run: "apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends install firmware-amd-graphics" | 07:32 |
| jimboy | let me try wait. | 07:32 |
| gnarface | (the reboot) | 07:32 |
| gnarface | here's a list of mesa packages you'll want too https://paste.debian.net/1326954/ | 07:34 |
| gnarface | (you might not need all of them, but you also might not already have all the ones you need) | 07:34 |
| jimboy | Thanks man | 07:35 |
| jimboy | I'll come back and boot up my Devuan | 07:35 |
| gnarface | no problem, let me know if it works | 07:35 |
| jimboy | sure I'll be back | 07:35 |
| freaxeh | ah another ryzen user | 07:50 |
| gnarface | well, hopefully his setup won't be as problematic | 07:55 |
| gnarface | 20 minutes later though, i have to hope that it worked so perfectly he got distracted testing video games | 07:56 |
| freaxeh | mmmm | 07:56 |
| freaxeh | hopefully its just that his monitors plugged into the wrong port | 07:57 |
| gnarface | the thing is, they're supposed to work for basic text and 2d graphics output even without the non-free driver component, so there's every possibility that something else has gone wrong | 07:57 |
| gnarface | but i probably should have said that first | 07:57 |
| gnarface | anyway, if he makes it back, someone please let him know | 08:02 |
| freaxeh | k | 08:10 |
| adhoc | freaxeh: is that a thing on ryzen machines where there is no GPU on the CPU, but there is a DVI port on the MoBo ? | 08:21 |
| adhoc | (or DVI, or VGA port on the MoBo) | 08:21 |
| freaxeh | if you have an rx580 they have a dvi port on them | 08:23 |
| freaxeh | and 3x displayports and 1x hdmi port | 08:23 |
| freaxeh | in my personal experience the rx580 gets confused and doesnt like monitors connected to DVI and wont read their info | 08:24 |
| freaxeh | so you get stuck at 640x480 | 08:24 |
| freaxeh | i'm not aware of any other issues surrounding ryzen platforms and motherboards | 08:25 |
| freaxeh | i personally haven't had any issues surrounding the hdmi ports on mobos with integrated graphics ryzen chips either | 08:27 |
| freaxeh | my mum has a system just like that and it works fine | 08:27 |
| freaxeh | there are ryzen motherboards out there with dvi/vga/hdmi ports on them though | 08:32 |
| adhoc | we had MoBos that had HDMI but no support on the CPU, so we had to put pciex4 gpus in slots instead. | 08:34 |
| adhoc | the joy of building beige box servers | 08:34 |
| adhoc | the problem was, after a whole that model MoBo was not available, so have to find alternatives, then the GPU became unavailable, | 08:34 |
| adhoc | so we had i think four or five configurations | 08:35 |
| adhoc | and one image to jam all on the config onto | 08:35 |
| freaxeh | interesting | 08:35 |
| adhoc | all the gpus have effectively the same lspci string, so was not like we could detect and patch based on that | 08:36 |
| adhoc | so i cheated, had a lookup tabled based on eth1's mac address. | 08:37 |
| adhoc | some really cheap ryzen boards have the same MAC on both nics | 08:37 |
| adhoc | >.> | 08:37 |
| freaxeh | nice | 08:37 |
| adhoc | and we sent a bunch back because all the boards have the *same* MAC address on their NICs | 08:38 |
| adhoc | on linux you could not change them, but you could on netbsd, go figure. | 08:38 |
| freaxeh | https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/266836105247 | 08:49 |
| freaxeh | i bought that mobo/cpu/ram combo | 08:49 |
| freaxeh | for my file server | 08:49 |
| freaxeh | i love the look of gigabyte mobos from that era, so colourful | 08:50 |
| freaxeh | also bought an AMD Phenom II X6 1055T cpu for it | 08:51 |
| freaxeh | why so old? no UEFI and no AMD PSP to worry about | 08:51 |
| gnarface | guys uh, not to be a party pooper but you should move the hardware discussion to #devuan-offtopic | 08:52 |
| freaxeh | roger | 08:52 |
| freaxeh | adhoc should join #devuan-offtopic | 09:03 |
| freaxeh | that way i'm not talking to myself again | 09:03 |
| * freaxeh furiously eats tic tacs | 09:03 | |
| Guest2321 | gnarface | 10:01 |
| Guest2321 | you here? | 10:01 |
| Guest2321 | @gnarface | 10:02 |
| Guest2321 | E: Package 'firmware-amd-graphics' has no installation candidate | 10:03 |
| gnarface | i wish they'd stick around longer | 10:33 |
| freaxeh | gnarface | 11:56 |
| Guest2175 | E: Package 'firmware-amd-graphics' has no installation candidate | 11:59 |
| rrq | add non-free-firmware to the sources.list point(s) | 12:00 |
| Guest2175 | i think its already added | 12:00 |
| Guest2175 | let me copy paste here | 12:00 |
| Guest2175 | wait | 12:00 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmw> | 12:01 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-f> | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-f> | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-security main contrib non-free n> | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-fr> | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free no | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 12:02 |
| Guest2175 | is something missing? | 12:02 |
| rrq | daedalus-proposed-updates | 12:03 |
| rrq | but I don;t think that's it | 12:03 |
| rrq | obviously you've done apt-get update as well | 12:04 |
| Guest2175 | yes that's correct | 12:04 |
| Guest2175 | let me try again | 12:04 |
| Guest2175 | and paste the output here | 12:04 |
| rrq | pasting a lot may get you into trouble | 12:05 |
| buZz | please dont flood this channel with your pastes, you can use paste.debian.net | 12:05 |
| Guest2175 | sure, thanks. | 12:05 |
| rrq | "apt-get policy firmware-amd-graphics" tells mi it's "http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/non-free-firmware" | 12:07 |
| Guest2175 | https://paste.debian.net/1326974/ | 12:08 |
| Guest2175 | @rrq so what should i use? | 12:08 |
| rrq | you seem to have DNS problem | 12:09 |
| Guest2175 | i see | 12:09 |
| Guest2175 | i'm not from US | 12:09 |
| rrq | that's good | 12:10 |
| rrq | can you ping deb.devuan.org ? | 12:10 |
| Guest2175 | let me try | 12:10 |
| rrq | do you use connman? if so, stop doing that | 12:11 |
| Guest2175 | no i don't use that and i don't know that is | 12:11 |
| rrq | that's a godd state to be in:) | 12:11 |
| rrq | normally deb.devuan.org is a cname for deb.rr.devuan.org which resolves to a fair number of download mirrors | 12:13 |
| Guest2175 | https://paste.debian.net/1326977/ | 12:14 |
| rrq | ok. what does your /etc/resolv.conf say about "nameserver" ? | 12:15 |
| Guest2175 | let me check | 12:16 |
| Guest2175 | https://paste.debian.net/1326978/ | 12:17 |
| rrq | I guess thats yoru router, which indicates your ISP has broken DNS | 12:18 |
| rrq | try chaning the IP address to 1.1.1.1 | 12:18 |
| buZz | DNS address* | 12:19 |
| Guest2175 | in the resolv.conf? | 12:19 |
| rrq | yes | 12:19 |
| Guest2175 | let me try | 12:19 |
| rrq | but remember that dhcp will refresh its IP upon reconnections | 12:19 |
| rrq | perhaps you can program your router to use 1.1.1.1 as its uplink for DNS | 12:20 |
| freaxeh | or quad9 | 12:21 |
| Guest2175 | wow. it's working now. | 12:21 |
| Guest2175 | thanks man @rrq | 12:21 |
| rrq | yes, 1.1.1.1 is "cloudflare" while 9.9.9.9 would be quad9 | 12:22 |
| Guest2175 | i don't understand any of this but it works haha | 12:22 |
| buZz | and 8.8.8.8 is google | 12:22 |
| rrq | yes. quad9 might be best actuallly in terms of "privacy" | 12:23 |
| gnarface | ah, someone should have mentioned the part about how the display wasn't supposed to be blank even without this... | 12:59 |
| gnarface | there might be a separate issue | 12:59 |
| dvbst | hello my favourite people | 13:13 |
| dvbst | what is the prefered way to install virtualbox on devuan | 13:14 |
| buZz | alas virtualbox is no longer in devuan | 13:19 |
| onefang | My favourite way is apt install qemu, but YMMV. B-) | 13:35 |
| dvbst | yea i would do that too but im installing this for my friend and he wants something easy | 13:36 |
| rrq | and he doesnt know qemu? | 13:41 |
| dvbst | he doesnt know linux at all | 13:43 |
| dvbst | he never used a computer in fact | 13:43 |
| buZz | then there's no harm in installing qemu | 13:43 |
| buZz | if they have no basis of comparison, its all just as hard or easy | 13:43 |
| buZz | 'dumbing down OS' just gets you windows users | 13:44 |
| dvbst | idk man he wanted me to install virtualbox so i thought i would get him virtualbox | 13:44 |
| dvbst | i mean i totally agree with you but is virtualbox dumbing it down so much? | 13:44 |
| buZz | why would they ask for software they dont know | 13:44 |
| buZz | if they never ever used a computer | 13:44 |
| dvbst | i mean thats a fair point | 13:45 |
| dvbst | he also asked me to install some android only image editing programs and some tool for automatic brightness | 13:45 |
| dvbst | so yea | 13:46 |
| rrq | :) have fun ... afair virtualbox comes with a need to recompile a (networking?) kernel module anew when the kernel version changes; but most of that is probably made fairly automatic | 13:47 |
| dvbst | but still, my other buddy promised to get him a windows vm image with all the windows-only tools he wants and all that stuff and that buddy only has windows and i dont think they make qemu on windows | 13:47 |
| buZz | he doesnt WANT any windowsonly tools | 13:48 |
| buZz | he has never used a computer | 13:48 |
| buZz | those desires are not their | 13:48 |
| buZz | s | 13:48 |
| buZz | and qemu works fine on windows | 13:48 |
| dvbst | he does want windows only tools, he does graphics and stuff but all his life he was using his phone, but that doesnt mean that he doesnt know what he wants, he does watch youtube and knows about what you can do on a computer | 13:49 |
| rrq | I think you'll need to go to vortualbox website and grab a version for linux, then run its installer script | 13:51 |
| dvbst | they have a .deb file | 13:51 |
| rrq | does that install? | 13:51 |
| dvbst | but i remember someone here saying that this is bad for the system cuz it messes up dependencies and all that | 13:51 |
| dvbst | so i wanted to ask what is the prefered way of doing it with minimal damage | 13:52 |
| rrq | well then I wouldn't do it at all ;) ... but if the deb is trustworth and works you could use that | 13:54 |
| rrq | if it doesn't you probably will need to use there generic linux install | 13:55 |
| djph | if you're gonna install vbox ... uh, it's in the repos ... | 13:56 |
| rrq | is it? which package? | 13:57 |
| djph | wait no I'm looking at the wrong VM. | 13:57 |
| djph | note to self, burn the 'buntu box to the ground | 13:57 |
| buZz | quite sure that .deb will depend on systemderp | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | the deb packages from virtualbox.org work in devuan | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | no problem other than you have to run the config program every time the kernel gets upgraded | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | vboxconfig | 14:31 |
| buZz | woot, cool | 14:56 |
| mason | lru: Your note about the wrong link has been corrected. Thank you again. | 15:42 |
| onefang | Does refractainstaller need a swap partition? | 18:53 |
| onefang | Ah, my fault, ran out of space on that partition. | 18:54 |
| * onefang runs it again. Meh, got the timezone wrong anyway. | 18:56 | |
| fsmithred | onefang, no. If there's no swap partition it will make a swapfile, 256MB default. | 19:01 |
| onefang | Yep, that's what it ran out of space trying to do. | 19:02 |
| onefang | 1GB was a little too small for /. | 19:03 |
| lru | mason: you're welcome! | 19:34 |
| amarsh04 | anyone on Ceres/unstable, beware of Debian bug #1079022: kmod - makes the machine unbootable | 20:38 |
| aswjrisp | I have a laptop I intsalled devuan on I am having a hardware problem. When it boots it gives a message like no bootable device. I opened it up and it is using a nvme m.2 drive. I tried resetting it in the socket but I still get the same message on power on. | 21:12 |
| aswjrisp | I was thinking that I would get a m.2 to usb adapter and plug it into another computer to see if I could get the data off of the drive. | 21:13 |
| aswjrisp | When I installed devuan I used the graghical installer and set up disk encryption. | 21:14 |
| aswjrisp | What program do I need to use to decrypt the drive? | 21:14 |
| aswjrisp | A manual decrypt of the drive from another computer. Normally I let the devuan boot process decrypt the drive. | 21:15 |
| ErRandir | Can't you do a rescue boot from a USB disk or from the network? | 21:17 |
| aswjrisp | ErRandir: I had not really considered other options. | 21:19 |
| aswjrisp | I was thinking of connecting the drive with a usb adpater so that I could copy the data to the other computer. | 21:20 |
| aswjrisp | ErRandir: what do you mean when you say rescue boot from the network? | 21:20 |
| aswjrisp | ErRandir: When you say rescue boot from a USB disk are you refering to using a usb boot with the devuan install image on it? | 21:22 |
| ErRandir | some network cards can do a PXE boot. | 21:22 |
| aswjrisp | ErRandir: okay I do not know if the laptop has a network card that can do a PXE boot. | 21:23 |
| aswjrisp | The error about no bootable disk happens very early in the boot process and looks like it is coming from the bios maybe. | 21:23 |
| ErRandir | quite likely. | 21:25 |
| alphalpha | @aswjrisp sudo cryptsetup open "$DEV" --type "$TYPE" "$NAME" | 21:35 |
| alphalpha | to open encrypted your device | 21:35 |
| alphalpha | and instead of buying a adapter for your card, you could first boot a live system, maybe knoppix, and check the SMART parameters of your drive | 21:36 |
| aswjrisp | alphalpha: I am looking at https://devuan.org/get-devuan would the minimal-live or desktop-live provide a sufficient live systems? | 21:41 |
| alphalpha | i am not 100% sure if "smartmontools" is installed on the minimal-live, if not, you would need to install that | 21:44 |
| aswjrisp | alphalpha: what free/open source program would you suggest to get SMART parameter information about the drive? | 21:44 |
| aswjrisp | oh never mind smartmontools | 21:45 |
| alphalpha | smartctl -a "$device" | 21:45 |
| aswjrisp | alphalpha: I have not used live systems before. If I needed to install a program (cryptsetup or smartmontools) where would it be installed as there is not a functional disk? | 22:04 |
| alphalpha | in your RAM | 22:05 |
| alphalpha | everything will be gone when you shutdown | 22:06 |
| aswjrisp | Oh that is interesting, I think I will give a live system a try for this. | 22:11 |
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