libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2024-06-30

glenmowhow do i configure devuan for unetbootin? it has a hard disk install feature which allows me to boot into the os without a usb19:43
buZzconfigure devuan to use a bootloader?19:44
buZzits usually the other way around, isnt it?19:44
glenmowdoesn't unbtin come with a bootloader?19:44
buZzglenmow: my bet, if it has a 'debian' option, pick that ;)19:44
glenmowbuZz19:44
buZzglenmow19:44
glenmow?19:47
fsmithreddid anyone understand what glenmow was trying to do?20:18
masonFrom Wikipedia: "UNetbootin is a cross-platform utility that can create live USB systems and can load a variety of system utilities or install various Linux distributions and other operating systems without a CD."20:25
gnarfacewhenever someone asks about unetbootin i just assume they've got outdated info from 2 decades ago when that was the only way to boot from usb or something like that20:48
gnarfacenormally those people will do just fine with any hybrid-iso and instructions to simply cp or dd it to the usb disk directly20:48
gnarfaceeh, maybe i shouldn't have skimmed so quick, clearly that's not what glenmow was trying to do, however i still don't think it actually needs unetbootin for that... i was pretty sure there was a way to boot the standard installer from a harddrive by just copying some partition contents out of it20:54
gnarfacei thought in fact you reminded me how to do that more recently, fsmithred20:55
fsmithrednot sure about doing that with the installer isos.20:58
fsmithredI know how to boot live isos that are copied to the hard drive.20:58
fsmithredand for installer on hard drive there's hd-media or whatever it's called20:59
fsmithredmaybe they should have stayed longer.21:00
gnarfaceyea21:03
joergXY problem22:13
joerghttps://unetbootin.github.io/  >>*Installing Other Distributions Using UNetbootin*  Download and run UNetbootin, then select the "disk image" option and supply it with an ISO (CD image).<<22:18
joerg>>UNetbootin doesn't use distribution-specific rules for making your live USB drive, so most Linux ISO files should load correctly using this option<<22:20
joergany *live.iso should do, no?22:24
fsmithredI would assume that the live iso needs to contain an installer. But last time I used unetbooten was probably debian lenny.22:27
masonTeaching people to use debootstrap is my favourite option.23:09
masonIt's very flexible.23:09
rwp+1 for debootstrap installation FTW!23:26
Xenguy_I've seen a lot of mention of debootstrap but it's just never arrived on my radar23:33
buZzfsmithred: i -think- they wanted to use unetbootin to install devuan to a -hdd-23:52
buZzi have no clue why, maybe USB is broken on target machine23:53
buZzor it predates USB :D23:53
Xenguy_Huh, so debootstrap seems to be some kind of separate instance within a chroot environment23:57
buZzwell, its a debian tool, but many other distros have it as package aswell23:57
masonXenguy_: debootstrap lays out packages using whatever you like as a root.23:57
buZzyou can then after debootstrap is done, chroot into that rootfs and 'have devuan'23:58
masonXenguy_: Example in my installer: https://github.com/ChibaPet/install-debian-zfs-sysvinit/blob/main/installer#L51423:58
Xenguy_I'm trying to imagine when/why it would be useful23:59
Xenguy_Like what are some common use cases23:59
Xenguy_Assuming this in On-topic for now23:59
buZzbootstrapping in general?23:59
masonXenguy_: In my case, boot from some random environment, install debootstrap, install ZFS tooling, set up partitioning, debootstrap stuff into what will be the root of the new system.23:59

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