| joerg | nuked the system? ;-) | 01:53 |
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| gnarface | i'd like to imagine they just got distracted by the new found performance and forgot to report back | 01:56 |
| gnarface | i suppose there's every possibility they were unlucky enough to be using kernel 6.1.0-17 and didn't know of any recourse when dkms errored out | 01:57 |
| Xenguy | "Sorry, I was so blown away by the speed power and grace, that I walked straight out into traffic!" | 01:57 |
| gnarface | lol | 01:58 |
| Xenguy | ; -) | 01:58 |
| gnarface | i did think of mentioning the thing about not being on 6.1.0-17 and making sure the corresponding linux-headers-* package was installed first, but there's always the risk of giving too much information up front too... | 01:59 |
| gnarface | the problem is though, if that happened this particular user will probably assume it's devuan's fault and not think to blame debian or nvidia, the real culprits for this mess | 02:00 |
| gnarface | well, if they happen to come back complaining that it totally hosed their system, make sure to mention this part^ | 02:01 |
| gnarface | (make sure to mention, too, that it's completely fixable without a full reinstall) | 02:01 |
| rwp | Since Microsoft Edge is just Chromium with the Microsoft skin why would it be an advantage for someone on Devuan? I mean over Chromium? | 02:46 |
| gnarface | well, i think the troll rating was pretty high with that one, but i'm absolutely positive that Microsoft made sure there's something that requires it | 02:49 |
| gnarface | i just hope he's not out there badmouthing devuan over a debian bug i neglected to warn him of up front | 02:50 |
| systemdlete | funny^^^ | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | (Xenguy's comment about walking into traffic) | 03:15 |
| Xenguy | hehe | 03:15 |
| systemdlete | good one | 03:15 |
| Xenguy | It actually happened to me recently, so I made a joke about it | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | omg | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | hope you were not injured | 03:16 |
| Xenguy | I was completely sober, but engrossed in conversation | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | that will do it. Distracted walking. | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | 30 years to life for that one | 03:17 |
| Xenguy | No, we saw the car bearing down on us, and my friend went forward, and I went backwards, and we were both fine, but stunned | 03:17 |
| systemdlete | You failed to subordinate yourself to the superiority of the Automobile. How dare thee! | 03:18 |
| systemdlete | (OT...) | 03:18 |
| Xenguy | I failed to pay attention, the first law of the universe ; -) | 03:18 |
| * systemdlete wishes they had paid attention back when... | 03:19 | |
| systemdlete | another chromium update... | 03:19 |
| systemdlete | and here we go again with the cacher connection problem... | 03:20 |
| * systemdlete tries his "trick" of updating the cacher's cache | 03:21 | |
| systemdlete | cost-benefit analysis says "don't bother", but systemdlete says "do" | 03:22 |
| systemdlete | as it may be the ONLY thing that fixes it | 03:22 |
| systemdlete | couple of items busy, it wants me to tag it | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | *them | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | ugh. Still no like | 03:24 |
| rrq | are you using apt-cacher-ng as proxy for web (chromium) access? | 03:24 |
| systemdlete | not sure what you mean, sorry | 03:25 |
| rrq | you said that chromium update caused cacher connection problem (?) | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | oh now, if I run "apt update" again, then do the upgrade (after running maintenance), it works | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | There is a chromium update out there, so I went to upgrade and the cacher was doing its "I can't reach the proxy" biz again | 03:26 |
| rrq | ah.. right | 03:27 |
| systemdlete | Did you think I had configured my browser to use the https_proxy rather than normal routing? | 03:27 |
| systemdlete | sorry it sometimes takes a moment or two for the lights to start coming on over here these days | 03:28 |
| rrq | yeah I intepreted what you said that way. have your tried to disable apt-cacher-ng DNS cache? (with DnsCacheSeconds: -1) | 03:28 |
| systemdlete | huh. no. | 03:28 |
| rrq | that's in /etc/apt-cacher-ng/acng.conf | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | sure | 03:29 |
| gnarface | interesting idea | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | Yeah, I could try that. Can't hurt. | 03:29 |
| rrq | well. might slow down things though | 03:29 |
| rrq | slow and working is better than opposites | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | But having to correct these errors all the time also slows at least one thing down--namely, me. | 03:30 |
| systemdlete | yes, exactly | 03:30 |
| gnarface | with a local dns server i doubt it'll slow it down much | 03:31 |
| gnarface | you might notice a load shift to the dns server though | 03:31 |
| gnarface | ... not that i've tried it | 03:32 |
| gnarface | i guess we'll see what happens | 03:32 |
| systemdlete | I have one local DNS server | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | It's running on an openwrt router. | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | ok, configured my cacher for that variable and restarted cacher. | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | Of course, now we must wait again for the next hiccup, and who knows when that will happen | 03:35 |
| nsprra | how would i investigate why package wf-shell is not shown as available in daedalus but appears to have a debian package? (wf-shell is the gui for wayfire window manager) | 14:22 |
| rrq | maybe use https://pkginfo.devuan.org with the "Package pattern/File pattern" toggles set to "File pattern" ... | 14:27 |
| rrq | (... or set to "Package pattern") | 14:29 |
| nsprra | ty | 14:30 |
| nsprra | ah it's in ceres. | 14:31 |
| nsprra | and excalibur | 14:31 |
| nsprra | i'll need to do a lot of pinning if i want to enable that | 14:31 |
| rrq | it does depend on one or two things, yes | 14:32 |
| rrq | if you set up an overlay-boot you can go crazy without losing the underlying sanity :) | 14:34 |
| nsprra | thank you! that sounds interesting | 14:35 |
| nsprra | i got right tired of the nvidia gpus pulling 90 watts at idle so i'm on the igpu on ryzen now and happily that has no problem with wlroots based windowmanagers | 14:37 |
| nsprra | but if i plug-in one of the nvidias boot hangs at 'waiting for /dev/ to be populated' | 14:37 |
| nsprra | no nvidia binary drivers are installed on fresh system | 14:38 |
| rrq | I'm afraid I don't do much graphics so can't help there :( | 14:39 |
| rrq | though I think someone will turn up... just hang around | 14:42 |
| nsprra | mhm i'm new to efi boot as well. i held out this long. | 14:46 |
| nsprra | but that amd integrated gpu will not work without it | 14:46 |
| nsprra | aptwell initscripts 3.09-1devuan1 needed a bit of help with the /lib/init and /usr/lib/init | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | nsprra, merged usr is (will be) the default starting in excalibur | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | If you're thinking of upgrading to excalibur, it's highly recommended to install the usrmerge package before the upgrade. | 15:17 |
| djph | boo, usrmerge :( | 15:21 |
| nsprra | i have recently seen some of the debate about usrmerge thanks for the warning | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | somebody had to rearrange the deck chairs. | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | djph, ^^^ | 16:07 |
| djph | fsmithred: yeah yeah, it just makes me sad | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | fwiw, way back when ascii was in testing, I did a debootstrap install and didn't notice the usrmerge links until a year later. | 16:08 |
| djph | honestly the whole thing just grinds my gears since it ultimately feels like "change for the sake of change" | 16:12 |
| djph | maybe there's nuance I don't appreciate with it, i dunno | 16:13 |
| nsprra | people who don't have the talent to contribute something valuable find other things to do, often to the detriment of the rest of us | 16:14 |
| nsprra | i have been the eager changer before, who had to get stopped | 16:16 |
| djph | I mean, I don't have the talent to contribute something valuable (to Linux) ... so I don't. I guess I'm just weird | 16:28 |
| djph | (OTOH, I always *did* want to contribute something shitty to get ranted at by Linus ... and then print it and frame it as a badge of "I got good enough to actually submit to the kernel") | 16:29 |
| djph | Anyway, I'm blind and don't see anything yet about Excalibur on the site ... where's it mentioned? | 16:31 |
| golinux | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 17:07 |
| fonky | hi all | 18:16 |
| fonky | regarding cpu igpu errors from i guess 14 days back the igpu is broken | 18:16 |
| fonky | no errors prolly in devuan 5.0 | 18:17 |
| fonky | found out while trying to play an ancient pc game | 18:18 |
| nsprra | my fresh devuan daedalus image install has many .desktop files installed in /usr/share/applications for apps that are not installed. | 18:21 |
| debdog | nsprra: can you give an example? | 18:34 |
| ocra8 | ntfs mount does not work anymore | 18:46 |
| nsprra | nethack | 18:50 |
| nsprra | i should try to open the installer image in loopback i guess and check formyself | 18:50 |
| debdog | nsprra: this file is not found at all https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=file&q=nethack.desktop&x=submit (same on debian's package tool). maybe it is created by some tool of your DE/WM? | 18:58 |
| nsprra | let's drop it. time is passing. | 18:59 |
| nsprra | sorry. apologies. | 18:59 |
| debdog | no worries. I was interested since I only lately had encounters with such files. | 19:00 |
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