| AlexLikeRock | help | 00:04 |
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| AlexLikeRock | W: GPG error: http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease: Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.devuan.org_merged_dists_daedalus_InRelease into data and signature failed | 00:04 |
| AlexLikeRock | 00:04 | |
| plasma41 | Try rerunning apt-get update? | 00:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | i update keyring | 00:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | and apt clean | 00:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | and fix it ! | 00:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | :-) | 00:32 |
| rustyaxe | scrolling up a bit -- Lets not forget that many people never download the iso - most of my devuan instances get built via a process involving debootstrap and some perl scripts. There alone is about 100 devuan installs not accounted for anywhere, fwiw | 16:25 |
| rustyaxe | i've downloaded the iso a few times; but just using a count of that to judge 'popularity' probably isn't going to be very accurate, if even possible to gather (due to mirrors, etc) - im sure im not the only one doing such a thing | 16:26 |
| rustyaxe | Any reason testing's showing a ton of suspicious held back on update? | 16:40 |
| hagbard | Could be due to the transistion to packages whose names end on "t64". For me, synaptic wasn't able to resolve that mess, but aptitude was. | 16:43 |
| hagbard | https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-time | 16:45 |
| ocra8 | hello all | 19:47 |
| gnarface | hello, ocra8. don't wait for permission to ask a question, just ask it. | 19:48 |
| gnarface | (it's a slow channel, but stay connected and someone will answer you eventually) | 19:51 |
| plasma41 | o/ | 19:53 |
| ocra8 | my question is a rather big question | 20:02 |
| ocra8 | can I go with my big question ? | 20:02 |
| ocra8 | given devuan is systemd free like voidlinux, why choose devuan instead of void ? | 20:03 |
| debdog | prolly depends on your expertise. if you're familiar with debian as it used to be, devuan will be a good choice | 20:10 |
| gnarface | devuan has most of what's available in debian, so that's actually rather a lot. as i understand it, void is just a much smaller distro overall. they both have their relevance in different contexts. | 20:11 |
| ocra8 | debdog: gnarface thanks for the input | 20:12 |
| gnarface | hmm, yea just checking to make sure i'm not completely off base here, but looks like void linux has around 7000 packages according to google, and devuan stable currently has nearly 65,000 just in main | 20:14 |
| gnarface | but yea, the primary relevance to most of us is just that devuan works more or less exactly how debian used to | 20:15 |
| gnarface | (to the point that upgrading debian installs to devaun was actually even more seamless than the actual debian upgrade that forced systemd on everyone) | 20:16 |
| debdog | ocra8: have in mind, we're not into advertising. the chioce is yours. what ever you prefer. | 20:17 |
| gnarface | heh, yea sorry to disappoint; that was actually not a very big question :) | 20:17 |
| gnarface | and we field questions of that sort regularly | 20:18 |
| ocra8 | finlay devuan wins because of the 65 000 packages vs 7000 ? am sold | 20:19 |
| ocra8 | is there a default init ? is runit or openrc the default init ? | 20:20 |
| gnarface | sysvinit is the default | 20:20 |
| gnarface | others are available, but not all of them can be chosen during initial install yet. some of them you would have to install after | 20:21 |
| gnarface | (but that's the same as it would have been on debian before, anyway) | 20:22 |
| ocra8 | runit is offered during install right ? | 20:27 |
| ocra8 | anyone on runit ? | 20:27 |
| * debdog ain't, sorry | 20:27 | |
| gnarface | some people use it, but it's not as popular as sysvinit, you'll probably have to wait longer to talk to someone actually using it | 20:28 |
| gnarface | i know they added openrc to the installer, i thought they might have added one more... was that runit? | 20:28 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure | 20:28 |
| gnarface | stick around | 20:28 |
| ocra8 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K7Ile2IK5I shows runit as choice at 2:26 | 20:29 |
| gnarface | it's probably true then | 20:29 |
| gnarface | not sure but you may have to choose expert mode to see it | 20:29 |
| gnarface | i would recommend you use sysvinit though unless you either already know what you're doing or really want to learn runit | 20:31 |
| gnarface | (sysvinit being the most popular one means it's also the one that will be easiest to get support for) | 20:32 |
| ocra8 | perfect | 20:32 |
| ocra8 | thanks | 20:32 |
| gnarface | np | 20:32 |
| brocashelm | ocra8: i use runit | 20:51 |
| brocashelm | with runit-services package alongside | 20:52 |
| rustyaxe | i had recent tragedy that involved reinstalling most of my OS -- now my brightness control slider in xfce doesnt work; im missing something small im sure | 21:58 |
| gnarface | hmm, i wonder what brightness depends on... firmware or drivers perhaps? | 22:00 |
| gnarface | maybe just some optional xfce component... | 22:00 |
| gnarface | is it a laptop display? | 22:02 |
| gnarface | if it's a laptop, maybe installing "task-laptop" will pull in whatever it was | 22:03 |
| gnarface | just a guess | 22:03 |
| plasma41 | rustyaxe: Do you have xfce4-power-manager-plugins installed? | 22:04 |
| rustyaxe | Oh nice apparently not; it used to be | 22:04 |
| rustyaxe | wonder what else ended up missing; testing had a bit of a ... borkage yesterday | 22:04 |
| rustyaxe | Now i can make it bright enough to see to fix the rest, thanks | 22:05 |
| plasma41 | Yay! :-) | 22:06 |
| Guest30 | Hey, I'm trying to get a DVD working on daedalus. To play a DVD, but VLC is a nogo. I have read some tutorials about installing "sudo apt install libdvd-pkg" , but that package does not exist it seems. Is there a way for me to play my dvd on Daedalus? | 23:02 |
| rustyaxe | got non-free in sources.list? cant promise its there | 23:03 |
| Guest30 | hmm.. only non-free-firmware | 23:03 |
| rustyaxe | looking i seem not to have it available either | 23:03 |
| rustyaxe | im on testing with non-free and contrib; its not available to me | 23:04 |
| Guest30 | Same | 23:04 |
| Guest30 | https://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss - I tried building it from source , but line 18 in configure.ac seems to point to a windows configure | 23:06 |
| golinux | This page will help you sort repos: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 23:10 |
| Guest30 | Okay, thank you. Will try more later. | 23:11 |
| golinux | Specifically: | 23:12 |
| golinux | Note that all software shipped with Devuan in the main component is free software. But if needed, non-free software is also available. Just add the non-free-firmware, non-free and contrib components to the appropriate line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list as required: | 23:12 |
| golinux | You may or may not need all of them. | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | libdvd-pkg is in contrib (in daedalus) | 23:29 |
| gnarface | Guest30: you'll want libdvdcss, libdvdnav, and libdvdread. if you can't find libdvdcss in the devuan repos, you can get it from VLC's repo. you shouldn't need to rebuild anything. | 23:31 |
| gnarface | yea, libdvdcss doesn't look like it's in debian still. you'll have to get that one directly from VLC but they should still have pre-build debs of it somewhere on there... | 23:33 |
| Guest30 | I tried imporing the key to the videolan repos, but I got that the gpg key is in unsuppored binary format | 23:33 |
| gnarface | oh you probably have to do the same thing i had to do for winehq repos | 23:34 |
| gnarface | hang on | 23:34 |
| gnarface | show me the exact line you used for your sources.list | 23:34 |
| Guest30 | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / | 23:35 |
| Guest30 | deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / | 23:35 |
| Guest30 | I added those to my soures.list | 23:35 |
| Guest30 | W: GPG error: http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable Release: Detached signature file '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/download.videolan.org_pub_debian_stable_Release.gpg' is in unsupported binary format | 23:36 |
| Guest30 | E: The repository 'http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable Release' is not signed. | 23:36 |
| Guest30 | Get that error with an apt-get update | 23:36 |
| gnarface | ok, i suspect i know the solution to that in theory, but while trying to locate a reference on for details on how i think i remembered something better: libdvd-pkg | 23:36 |
| Guest30 | yeah, but I don't find that package | 23:37 |
| gnarface | i think i just recalled that while libdvdcss isn't in debian, you can actually use something that is in debian to auto-fetch-and-build libdvdcss | 23:37 |
| gnarface | i thought that was libdvd-pkg | 23:37 |
| gnarface | you tried it already and it also gave you an error? | 23:38 |
| Guest30 | mm.. yeah, I read something about that libdvd-pkg is a helper package | 23:38 |
| Guest30 | No, I have not found it | 23:38 |
| gnarface | it's in contrib | 23:38 |
| Guest30 | aha.. Okay | 23:38 |
| Guest30 | cool! there it was | 23:39 |
| Guest30 | okay installing now | 23:39 |
| gnarface | according to this, you should just be able to install it and run "dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg" http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html | 23:39 |
| gnarface | then iirc it should fetch and maybe also build and package libdvdcss and just install it | 23:40 |
| Guest30 | Okay, cool. | 23:40 |
| gnarface | (don't forget to also install libdvdnav and libdvdread, but i recommend you just use the native debian versions of those instead of VLC's) | 23:40 |
| gnarface | to fix that GPG error i suspect you have to get their keyring and manually strip the key into its own file then put it in /etc/apt/keyrings/ and reference that from your sources.list, but this way you shouldn't have to bother | 23:42 |
| Guest30 | juhu! It works :) Now I can watch my Star Trek TNG directly from my DVD and not stream it.. :p Its the principle of the thing | 23:42 |
| gnarface | excellent | 23:42 |
| gnarface | all the other DVD players besides VLC should also work now too | 23:43 |
| Guest30 | yeah.. Cool. That was nice. I forgot about contrib. But it was in there, the package. | 23:44 |
| gnarface | VLC is nice and full-featured, but it's also kinda bloated and buggy, so it's good to have alternatives in a pinch | 23:44 |
| gnarface | contrib seems to be largely for stuff that's technically open source but entirely for or dependent on something specific that's not open-source. it's where you'll find most these "3rd party downloader" type apps | 23:45 |
| Guest30 | mm.. yeah. I used to use mplayer. | 23:45 |
| Guest30 | but VLC will do fine, I think | 23:46 |
| Guest30 | It plays well. OKay, all, thanks for the help! :) | 23:48 |
| gnarface | no problem | 23:48 |
| gnarface | good heads-up! fsmithred> libdvd-pkg is in contrib (in daedalus) | 23:49 |
| gnarface | took a few minutes for that one to sink in for me | 23:49 |
| Guest30 | ps, just say that I'm a happy user of Devuan. And would like to thank the project for it. I have abit of installs at work, where they are quality assurance probes in our network. | 23:57 |
| Guest30 | I just manage them by ansible, and have a simple setup for them. | 23:58 |
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