| DrDre | I gave up trying to figure out why the desktop gui logins would not work and gone for another fresh install ... Though the problem is the alienware box has two video cards in... Intel and Nvidia ... | 00:26 |
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| DrDre | Maybe this is why the gui would not load... It may not know which card to choose... | 00:27 |
| _ds_ | I'd remove the nvidia one and make sure that the Intel one is in the 16× slot. | 00:31 |
| onefang | _ds_: That "alienware box has two video cards in... Intel and Nvidia" might be one of those horrid combined graphics chips. I have one of those. | 03:44 |
| onefang | I gave my RAM gremlin a playground to distract it. Er I mean I dumped 105 GB of files into a RAM disk to see how that affected it when running other stuff. Only 36GB free now. Made things worse. lol | 04:40 |
| * onefang reboots. | 04:42 | |
| gnarface | when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first. | 06:18 |
| gnarface | the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing | 06:20 |
| x3dre | My alienware lappy has two video cards one nvidia and the other intel. On starting up instead of getting a login screen via gdm3, the prompt appears for a cli prompt login. I don't know what to do next to a gui screen to start .. tia :) | 10:46 |
| x3dre | Do I need some firmware that should have been installed as I chose to have non-free-firmware but something is amiss... | 10:47 |
| fsmithred | x3dre, stick around. Someone will eventually help you figure it out. | 10:48 |
| x3dre | Ok I'm sticking around for sure :) | 10:49 |
| fsmithred | This was posted while you were not here... | 10:49 |
| fsmithred | <gnarface> when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first. | 10:49 |
| fsmithred | <gnarface> the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing | 10:49 |
| x3dre | great I got patience in abundance ... | 10:51 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: this is the one i already told, there was another one after then | 11:02 |
| gnarface | x3dre: hang on i have a sources.list example for you | 11:03 |
| x3dre | ok | 11:03 |
| onefang | Is that one of those Optimus graphics chips? I think that's what they where called. I have an ancient one, but it worked fine for me. | 11:04 |
| gnarface | onefang: yea, it's a 930 so the nouveau drivers faceplant hard | 11:04 |
| gnarface | x3dre: here, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to this, it will include everything: http://paste.debian.net/1315332/ | 11:04 |
| x3dre | ok | 11:05 |
| gnarface | if you just install all the nvidia packages, it might just start working with no other changes, but it's not a guarantee; other changes sometimes need to be made too | 11:05 |
| gnarface | apt-get update && apt-cache search ^nvidia | 11:06 |
| gnarface | or | 11:06 |
| gnarface | apt-get update && apt-cache search nvidia | 11:06 |
| gnarface | you might get a lot of bloat unless you use "apt-get --no-install-recommends ..." | 11:06 |
| gnarface | but then, some like the bloat, you gotta make your own decisions | 11:07 |
| onefang | I've lost so much weight this year that I'm underweight. I'd like some of my own bloat back. lol | 11:11 |
| gnarface | oh, crap, i just remembered x3dre, warning, if you're on kernel 6.1.0-18-amd64 you might have to downgrade to 6.1.0-17-amd64 for it to work, too | 11:15 |
| gnarface | i don't know if they ever fixed the dkms bug in 6.1.0-18 | 11:16 |
| x3dre | going to reboot after the updates you suggested :) | 11:29 |
| x3dre | Brilliant all is working ... Thanks gnarface fsmithred :) | 11:33 |
| X3DRE | How do I get the sound subsystem to work as when I goto sound in the system settings there is no subsystem like alsa or pulseaudio? | 16:38 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: you could try installing pulseaudio | 16:47 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: also install pavucontrol, then run that and make sure the right hardware is selected | 16:48 |
| X3DRE | ok will do :) | 16:49 |
| gnarface | you don't always need pulseaudio, but you probably do need it to see the controls you're expecting. for bare alsa you'd usually use alsamixer in a terminal, which doesn't typically show up in desktop gui software | 16:50 |
| gnarface | they rarely bother to implement fancy controls for alsa anymore :( | 16:51 |
| X3DRE | I get this message when trying to install pulseaudio : The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome gnome-core pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio task-gnome-desktop | 16:52 |
| X3DRE | gnome removed ! eeek | 16:53 |
| X3DRE | This comes from doing this which I've said no! apt install pulseaudio pavucontrol pavumeter paprefs | 16:55 |
| gnarface | hmm, maybe gnome needs pipewire and it's busted, but maybe also you just need to run pavucontrol instead of changing any apckages | 16:57 |
| gnarface | *any packages | 16:57 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: ^ | 16:57 |
| gnarface | try just installing pavucontrol, if you don't have it. also, gnome might just need an extra package for the control panel itself (i don't know that it doesn't, and it wouldn't be unprecedented) | 16:58 |
| X3DRE | ok | 16:59 |
| X3DRE | pavucontrol already installed .. | 16:59 |
| gnarface | run it and make sure your audio device is selected | 16:59 |
| gnarface | check the settings in all tabs, actually | 17:00 |
| X3DRE | establishing connection but nothing happening... | 17:00 |
| gnarface | hmm, weird | 17:00 |
| gnarface | are you in the "audio" group? | 17:00 |
| gnarface | also, run this: apt-cache search ^gnome | 17:00 |
| X3DRE | That I don't know ... | 17:00 |
| gnarface | run the command "groups" to check your current groups | 17:01 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:01 |
| X3DRE | cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner | 17:01 |
| gnarface | ok, that's fine | 17:02 |
| X3DRE | brb fire is needing to turn off lol | 17:02 |
| X3DRE | back | 17:05 |
| X3DRE | the list for this is long apt-cache search ^gnome | 17:07 |
| gnarface | look for something that looks like your audio control panel that's missing | 17:07 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:07 |
| X3DRE | nearest entry is this gnome-audio - Audio files for GNOME | 17:09 |
| gnarface | is it installed already? | 17:10 |
| gnarface | looks pretty relevant | 17:11 |
| X3DRE | I now just installed it... | 17:11 |
| gnarface | you might need to restart gnome | 17:12 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:12 |
| gnarface | it might be easier to just reboot the whole thing | 17:13 |
| X3DRE | ok I'll reboot the unit.. | 17:15 |
| X3DRE | There is still no output sound device in the subsystem ... | 17:20 |
| gnarface | hmm | 17:21 |
| gnarface | make sure you have all these packages too: alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-topology-conf, alsa-ucm-conf, alsa-utils | 17:22 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:22 |
| gnarface | there's some slight chance your soundcard also needs non-free firmware, but i'm not sure what the likelyhood is of that, you can probably check by running: dmesg |grep firmware | 17:22 |
| gnarface | you can also just try seeing what shows up if you run alsamixer | 17:23 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:23 |
| gnarface | (install all that alsa stuff first and reboot again of course) | 17:23 |
| X3DRE | All alsa stuff now installed only two were missing... Going to reboot | 17:25 |
| X3DRE | This is there - snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware ctefx.bin | 17:26 |
| gnarface | ok, no errors about missing firmware show up? it's probably fine then | 17:26 |
| X3DRE | so reboot now ? | 17:26 |
| gnarface | yea, i think so. some rare intel soundcards need the "firmware-intel-sound" package from non-free-firmware, but i'd expect it to complain if that were the case | 17:27 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:27 |
| X3DRE | still no output device... | 17:34 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: run this and paste the output at paste.debian.net then give me the link: aplay -l && aplay -L | 17:37 |
| X3DRE | ok | 17:38 |
| X3DRE | https://paste.debian.net/1315363/ | 17:42 |
| ra33 | Greetings! Looking for a solution to a problem. Grub is broken! The system boots only like this (video) Tried these tools: Boot-Repair Super Grub2 Disk SystemRescueCD Rescatux | 17:44 |
| ra33 | video this: https://dropmefiles.com/tUi8F | 17:48 |
| X3DRE | alsamixer cannot open mixer: Host is down | 17:48 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: definitely sounds like a familiar pipewire issue, but unfortunately i don't know how to fix it. i'd say find out if gnome actually needs pipewire, and if not just install pulseaudio instead; it's possible it can work with pulseaudio but just needs to be reinstalled | 17:58 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: this aplay output looks normal; you definitely have a soundcard. | 17:59 |
| gnarface | i see your HDMI device is the first one, that might be why it's not working | 18:00 |
| gnarface | you'd want to make CARD=PCH the default | 18:00 |
| gnarface | not CARD=HDMI | 18:00 |
| X3DRE | So I will remove pipewire I definitely have a soundcard | 18:00 |
| gnarface | you can always put it back later if you figure out why it's broken | 18:01 |
| X3DRE | how to I change the CARD=HDMI to PCH? | 18:01 |
| gnarface | you should be able to do it with pavucontrol, but there's more than one thing wrong here | 18:02 |
| X3DRE | hmmm | 18:02 |
| gnarface | you could try putting these lines in your ~/.asoundrc: | 18:03 |
| gnarface | defaults.pcm.!card PCH | 18:03 |
| gnarface | defaults.ctl.!card PCH | 18:03 |
| gnarface | defaults.pcm.!device 0 | 18:03 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:03 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't have to reboot for that change but you will probably have to restart gnome and pipewire | 18:04 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:05 |
| X3DRE | the .asoundrc would for the root user ? | 18:05 |
| gnarface | not unless you're logging into your graphical desktop as root | 18:05 |
| gnarface | it would be for your regular user that you log into the GUI as | 18:05 |
| X3DRE | no way lol | 18:05 |
| X3DRE | I have no .asoundrc hidden should I create it and with what permissions ? | 18:07 |
| gnarface | create one, as your regular non-root user, with the default permissions | 18:08 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:08 |
| gnarface | this probably won't make the gnome control panel work, but maybe it'll at least get you sound, it's a long shot | 18:08 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:09 |
| gnarface | you need to talk to someone who knows pipewire and gnome better, i think | 18:09 |
| X3DRE | ok I wonder if anyone else here knows about them or goto the devs of pipewire | 18:11 |
| gnarface | someone else definitely knows a fix for this, i'm just not sure who | 18:12 |
| gnarface | it has definitely come up before and someone had a fix | 18:12 |
| X3DRE | ok that's good to know... | 18:13 |
| gnarface | more than once, just installing pulseaudio instead worked, but in those cases gnome wasn't involved | 18:13 |
| X3DRE | I found this link https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8671533.html?sid=a89848f932d160f4413404920d3875a5 | 18:14 |
| gnarface | did you test it in the live iso? | 18:14 |
| X3DRE | Live ISO everything worked | 18:14 |
| gnarface | that probably didn't use gnome either though, did it? i wonder if it used pipewire or pulseaudio... | 18:16 |
| gnarface | seems like in this gentoo link the guy has the same issue as you, but his config is much more complicated | 18:17 |
| X3DRE | Yes I noticed this too... | 18:18 |
| gnarface | notice that one post suggests a 1-line version of the 3-line config i gave you, and another one said he just removed both pulseaudio and pipewire to fix it (which is what i'd do, but i also wouldn't be using gnome) | 18:18 |
| X3DRE | I have changed over to plasma instead... But I prefer gnome it's just a desktop as long as it fully functional :) | 18:20 |
| gnarface | hmm, audio start working in plasma? | 18:20 |
| X3DRE | No lol | 18:20 |
| gnarface | what do you have in /etc/alsa/? | 18:20 |
| X3DRE | hold on | 18:20 |
| X3DRE | yes | 18:21 |
| gnarface | your init system is the default (sysvinit) right? | 18:21 |
| X3DRE | yep | 18:21 |
| X3DRE | I think lol | 18:21 |
| X3DRE | I am pretty sure I chose that option on install | 18:21 |
| gnarface | alright, paste.debian.net this output: ls -lR /etc/alsa/ | 18:21 |
| X3DRE | https://paste.debian.net/1315364/ | 18:23 |
| gnarface | or, wait, if you switched to plasma does that mean you can switch to pulseaudio too? | 18:23 |
| gnarface | you only have those 2 in there? hmm, something is wrong... | 18:24 |
| X3DRE | No I just logged out of gnome and chose the plasma desktop.. | 18:24 |
| gnarface | try installing pulseaudio and letting it remove pipewire? | 18:24 |
| gnarface | then reboot once and see if sound is working in plasma? | 18:24 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:25 |
| X3DRE | brb | 18:25 |
| X3DRE | Great I installed apt install -f pulseaudio and presto not rebooted and sound is working :) | 18:27 |
| gnarface | nice | 18:28 |
| gnarface | thus further supporting my theory that they made pipewire because pulseaudio was working too well | 18:28 |
| X3DRE | If it ain't broked don't try and fix it - Many thanks gnarface :) | 18:29 |
| X3DRE | lol | 18:29 |
| gnarface | no problem :) | 18:30 |
| X3DRE | Does this text transcript go into the archive as it might help someone else ? | 18:32 |
| gnarface | yes, i think there's a log... | 18:33 |
| X3DRE | Cool ;-) | 18:33 |
| gnarface | isn't there a link to it in the channel topic? | 18:33 |
| X3DRE | offtopic ? | 18:33 |
| gnarface | no | 18:34 |
| gnarface | Chanlogs http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/ | 18:34 |
| X3DRE | ok | 18:35 |
| X3DRE | ;-) | 18:36 |
| X3DRE | I got banned for using lower case x3dre dunno why though | 18:37 |
| X3DRE | lol | 18:37 |
| gnarface | hmm | 18:37 |
| golinux | joerg: ^^^ | 18:46 |
| archdummy | Hello can you read me? | 18:56 |
| APic | Trick Question | 18:57 |
| archdummy | 1) Devuan 1 galaxy forum banned me, are there other places to discuss ? | 18:57 |
| archdummy | 2) Whats are the benefits of devuan over debian ? It boots faster? | 18:58 |
| joerg | golinux: nope, no ban applies | 19:00 |
| gnarface | X3DRE: you sure it was a ban or maybe just a kick? | 19:01 |
| archdummy | Yes a kick | 19:01 |
| archdummy | I can't register | 19:01 |
| gnarface | archdummy: a little faster, a little simpler, a little less attack surface | 19:01 |
| archdummy | Got it thanks | 19:02 |
| gnarface | archdummy: also no vendor lock-in] | 19:02 |
| joerg | [27 Apr 2024 17:27:23] <-- X3DRE (~X3DRE@156.67.34.248) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). | 19:02 |
| archdummy | I'm trying to install in a particular way : efi + boot + PV, then LV-root LV-home LV-swap, then btrfs @home on LV-home, and @ + @root + @opt + @.snapshots + @var + @tmp on LV-root. Is it feasible on devuan? (Apparently mx installer didn't allow for such stuff) | 19:04 |
| joerg | [27 Apr 2024 11:37:16] <-- x3dre (~x3dre@2a04:202:3421:ce00:5fb:1b30:3908:4ab6) has left this server (Client Quit). | 19:04 |
| archdummy | systemd is vendor locked? | 19:05 |
| gnarface | archdummy: well, yea, they actively try to stop you from using other init systems | 19:05 |
| archdummy | they = free desktop ? | 19:05 |
| gnarface | archdummy: redhat/IBM. they've specifically designed it to make it difficult or impossible to support other init systems while fully supporting systemd, so devuan has all the other init systems | 19:06 |
| archdummy | got it thanks | 19:07 |
| archdummy | so devuan is what artix is to arch? | 19:07 |
| gnarface | uh, hmm... not sure, sounds right though maybe | 19:08 |
| gnarface | artix is also a non-systemd fork of arch? | 19:08 |
| gnarface | that sounds familiar | 19:08 |
| archdummy | i think so yes | 19:08 |
| archdummy | What is the name of the Devuan unstable suite? | 19:10 |
| gnarface | ceres | 19:10 |
| gnarface | current stable is daedalus, and excalibur is testing | 19:10 |
| archdummy | Thanks, does the timezone needs to be accurate to register on the forum? | 19:12 |
| gnarface | not sure... golinux? ^ | 19:12 |
| archdummy | what is it? i'm on dev1galaxy | 19:13 |
| archdummy | Or are you asking if I wanna try linux / 1st experience? | 19:14 |
| gnarface | archdummy: no, no. i'm flagging the forum admin, nickname: golinux, who might know the answer | 19:15 |
| archdummy | ah got you | 19:15 |
| joerg | X3DRE: why / where / when did you think you got banned? | 19:16 |
| archdummy | Info Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam. If you feel this is a mistake, please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at IRC #devuan at irc.libera.chat Go back | 19:16 |
| archdummy | 2s ago | 19:16 |
| archdummy | So no burner email basically? | 19:17 |
| golinux | archdummy: You'd have to get that answer from rrq. | 20:12 |
| golinux | We also filter for SFS | 20:15 |
| X3DRE | @joerg Earlier today approximately 11am BST I came to libera as x3dre and the browser crashed and then tried straight again, to which I got a message I've been banned ... | 21:37 |
| joerg | weird | 21:37 |
| X3DRE | so I came on as X3DRE and I'm not banned using caps... | 21:38 |
| joerg | you say "browser crashed", so I assume you used the webchat? | 21:38 |
| X3DRE | Yes I did... | 21:38 |
| joerg | probably some hiccup in libera infra | 21:39 |
| X3DRE | well I thought it might be a cookie issue but it doesn't matter now, my sound issue has been fixed :-) | 21:40 |
| joerg | kiwiirc webchat "client" actually stores channels you joined, in a cookie I think, so it _might_ be related | 21:44 |
| joerg | https://libera.chat/guides/clients | 21:46 |
| X3DRE | so you suggest using kiwiirc instead of gamja ? | 21:51 |
| fluffywolf | that page doesn't even mention ircii, epic, or bitchx... someone has something against proper irc clients, I see.... | 21:57 |
| joerg | X3DRE: I never looked into gamja, it's supposedly more lightweight than kiwiirc | 22:04 |
| joerg | fluffywolf: hehe | 22:05 |
| joerg | X3DRE: anyway, if you wanna have a look, https://web.libera.chat/#devuan | 22:25 |
| joerg | kiwiirc ^^^ | 22:25 |
| * Xenguy stabs bitchx, and forbids future usage of the word | 23:04 | |
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