| fonky123 | hi all | 02:17 |
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| al1r4d | Hi | 02:20 |
| fonky123 | has anyone else tried livedvd-iso v5.0 and memtest does not work | 02:21 |
| fonky123 | when picking from menu on livedvd | 02:21 |
| fonky123 | i may have some weird dvds from hp though | 02:22 |
| fonky123 | downloaded from leaseweb if i remember correctly | 02:22 |
| fonky123 | oh and can i still choose xorg insted of wayland on daedalus and perhaps consolekit instead of elogind | 02:24 |
| fonky123 | thank you for any possible answer upfront | 02:24 |
| al1r4d | I dont know, sorry | 02:27 |
| al1r4d | Did you burn with dd method? | 02:27 |
| Xenguy | fonky123, I know that I just installed memtest+ from the repo directly... | 02:28 |
| fonky123 | no i used cdburnerxp, for some odd reason i cant find option finalise cd/dvd | 02:28 |
| Xenguy | I does an install as an option in the GRUB menu and seems to work fine | 02:28 |
| fonky123 | xenguy, sorry i was talking about livedvd | 02:28 |
| Xenguy | s/I/It | 02:28 |
| al1r4d | Fonky, devuan use xorg as default | 02:28 |
| al1r4d | fonky123, then try dd | 02:28 |
| fonky123 | when booting from livedvd there is an option of memtest, besides runfrom cd/run from ram etc | 02:28 |
| fonky123 | im not sure i read somewhere, mayhaps some other distro | 02:29 |
| fonky123 | anyways be back when I install | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | sorry I'm late. memtest doesn't work on the desktop-live isos. It does work on the minimal-live. | 02:50 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, A wizard is never late... He arrives precisely when he means to = ) | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | lol | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | 8 -D | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | And you Sir, are a wizard | 02:52 |
| fsmithred | Here's a discussion of the current memtest issue. I'm wizzed out (or out-wizzed) https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6514 | 03:01 |
| fonky123 | hi, what vga=xxx for Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (devuan excalibur iso-dvd) | 07:29 |
| fonky123 | Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00000102sv00001849sd00000102bc03sc00i00" | 07:36 |
| fonky123 | Driver Info #0: | 07:36 |
| fonky123 | Driver Status: i915 is active | 07:36 |
| fonky123 | thank you in advance for any answers | 07:37 |
| gnarface | fonky123: not sure if this still works, but try setting it to "vga=ask" and it should actually prompt you with a multiple-choice question at boot time, and then you can just try different ones until you find one that you like | 07:53 |
| gnarface | i think the list will only prompt you with stuff the hardware actually supports but it's been a long time since i tried it | 07:54 |
| onefang | Hmm, while on that subject, will this vga=x thing mean the kernel actually starts at that video mode? I've been really annoyed that I can't get the bootloader to convince the kernel to START in a higher resolution. | 07:55 |
| gnarface | note that these days with intel hardware and the default KMS/modesetting driver, it is supposed to pick the optimal choice by default, and if it's not already doing that it might be a sign of something else wrong (like missing packages) | 07:55 |
| gnarface | (or a actual kernel driver bug) | 07:56 |
| onefang | "Optimal" for me means highest possible for my main monitor. | 07:56 |
| gnarface | onefang: you can just set a resolution explicitly in /etc/default/grub as long as your hardware supports it. the old comments in mine say you can check during runtime with the "vbeinfo" tool | 07:57 |
| gnarface | onefang: (the grub variable is GRUB_GFXMODE, if you don't have a commented-out example i can paste you mine) | 07:58 |
| gnarface | onefang: normally though, if everything is working right, all you should have to do actually is just set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="keep" and make sure you don't still have the old "nomodeset" workaround anywhere in there from previous nvidia issues | 07:58 |
| onefang | I'm using syslinux. I want syslinux to detect what's the highest resolution (that part works), then tell the kernel to use that. It's not until it's at the init stage that it finally kicks into high res mode. | 07:59 |
| onefang | Also not using nvidia, AMD all the way here. | 07:59 |
| gnarface | onefang: ah, i don't have any idea about syslinux, sorry | 08:00 |
| gnarface | fonky123: fyi i think there's a full range of valid integer values for that variable on wikipedia somewhere | 08:00 |
| onefang | I'll try vga=ask later today on my test VM. | 08:00 |
| gnarface | but not all hardware can do all of them | 08:00 |
| gnarface | i think the values are actually some encoded pattern, i think i used to even remember the formula but it's slipped out of my grasp now | 08:01 |
| gnarface | hmm, i think it's this actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_text_mode | 08:02 |
| gnarface | to my understanding though this is a hardware text mode, and i'm not actually sure if it's even related to what KMS and modesetting do | 08:03 |
| fonky123 | brb going to try out vga=ask | 08:03 |
| onefang | Would be nice if the kernel just left the video mode the same as sys-linux set it to. | 08:04 |
| gnarface | i think KMS/modesetting actually use a framebuffer, whereas the VGA text mode is something different on PC hardware (maybe on ARM hardware they're the same thing though?) | 08:04 |
| gnarface | onefang: yea, that's the thing, with grub you can tell it to do that, so maybe there's a way with syslinux too | 08:04 |
| onefang | One of the issues with syslinux is they have a few menu types, some text, some framebuffer. And Lua can't use them all, only the crappy one. lol | 08:05 |
| gnarface | i think i used it once to make a bootable usb some years before the hybrid-iso thing changed the whole game | 08:06 |
| gnarface | or maybe i'm confusing it with unetbootin | 08:07 |
| gnarface | i'm having some sense of deja-vu here | 08:07 |
| gnarface | i know this conversation comes back up like once a decade, lol | 08:07 |
| gnarface | i also switched to AMD so my stuff would work right | 08:08 |
| onefang | That's one of my goals, a generic bootable USB that has a bunch of things in it, including a syslinux version of rEFInd that rrq and I have talked about implementing. rEFInd finds all the bootable stuff on the computer and offers you alist of them. Alas it only works under EFI, hesce the name. I want it to work on BIOS to, which syslinux can do. | 08:08 |
| onefang | I have this thing I call Magic Pixie Dust, a micro SD card and USB converter with over 20 operating systems on it. This is for that project. | 08:09 |
| gnarface | heh, nice | 08:10 |
| onefang | Yes, it includes Devuan as the default thing to boot. | 08:10 |
| gnarface | does it have haiku and plan9 yet? | 08:10 |
| onefang | Not yet, but they are on the TODO. | 08:10 |
| gnarface | sounds fun | 08:11 |
| gnarface | also very useful | 08:11 |
| onefang | It even has a bootable Space Invaders game. No OS, just the game. lol | 08:14 |
| onefang | For those youngun's that don't know, Space Invaders was a very popular tall cabinet type game from the age of dinosaurs, you would find it in pubs and everywhere. | 08:16 |
| ted-ious | What is the copyright status of those games and could devuan just package stand alone versions for people to play without all the usual legal problems? | 08:18 |
| onefang | There's at least two Space Invader clones in Devuan already. | 08:19 |
| ted-ious | Do they need wine or mame or some big framework? | 08:19 |
| onefang | Big framework, for a game from the 70's? lol | 08:20 |
| onefang | ninvaders, open-invaders, xinv3d (a 3D version). | 08:20 |
| gnarface | mame plays it fine | 08:20 |
| onefang | ninvaders is ncurses based. | 08:21 |
| onefang | They just run native, no mame or wine needed. | 08:23 |
| gnarface | well that's cool | 08:24 |
| fonky123 | vga=ask does not resolve my problem | 08:24 |
| fonky123 | fuzzy screen | 08:24 |
| fonky123 | neverminding the choices everytime at every resolution it gets fuzzy | 08:25 |
| fonky123 | tried two modes noapic or something like that | 08:25 |
| fonky123 | i get kernel panic | 08:25 |
| fonky123 | under help are those two modes listed | 08:26 |
| CueXXIII | fonky123: and no vga= parameter does not help either? | 08:26 |
| fonky123 | no | 08:26 |
| gnarface | fonky123: bummer, seems like you'll have to try it by blind trial+error or just try the grub option | 08:27 |
| fonky123 | nah ill throw in a dedicated gpu | 08:27 |
| fonky123 | :) | 08:27 |
| gnarface | fonky123: unless maybe you have a different display on hand you can try it with? maybe something older that's CRT | 08:27 |
| fonky123 | and see where that takes me | 08:27 |
| fonky123 | no crt at hand, sadly | 08:27 |
| gnarface | seems like, if you could just read the blurry part it might have your answers | 08:28 |
| ted-ious | ascii-invader requires you to hold down the arrow keys for long enough for the auto repeat to kick in. :) | 08:28 |
| gnarface | oh! i wonder if that'd show up in serial terminal output.... | 08:28 |
| fonky123 | anyways probably people with sandy bridge igpu will be having problems installing, | 08:28 |
| fonky123 | going to try those 2 modes again | 08:28 |
| fonky123 | and report back | 08:29 |
| fonky123 | brb | 08:29 |
| ted-ious | https://stabyourself.net/notpacman/ | 08:32 |
| onefang | Lots of clones of these ancient classic games in Devuan. | 08:33 |
| ted-ious | This doesn't look like a clone. | 08:34 |
| onefang | Well they clone the game, then tend to add more stuff to it. Like that 3D Space Invaders. | 08:35 |
| friedhelm | If you do games, you might be interested in 2 I'm involved with. "simplesok" and "atomiks". There are packets at "software.opensuse.org". | 08:39 |
| fonky123 | hi again, tried vga=771 and vga=normal with fb=false | 08:39 |
| fonky123 | its like burned 3d accelerator | 08:39 |
| fonky123 | just 2d pic :) | 08:39 |
| fonky123 | those with noapic and nolapic = kernel panic | 08:40 |
| fonky123 | kernel offset 0x2c600000 | 08:40 |
| fonky123 | but prolly its just my pc | 08:40 |
| CueXXIII | noapic and nolapic should not change graphic modes | 08:40 |
| sfox | what does that mean | 08:41 |
| CueXXIII | try with i915.modeset=0 or =1 | 08:41 |
| CueXXIII | and how bad is "fuzzy"? | 08:41 |
| fonky123 | its like 50 80x50 images like broken analogue tv when there is no program | 08:41 |
| CueXXIII | oh, sounds like your vsync is broken… | 08:42 |
| fonky123 | let me try out that i915 modeset | 08:44 |
| fonky123 | brb | 08:44 |
| ted-ious | https://youtube.com/embed/bJWJt_lgd4g | 08:52 |
| ted-ious | Oops wrong link. | 08:52 |
| ted-ious | http://crobots.deepthought.it/ | 08:52 |
| ted-ious | I found that at https://www.alessandropira.org/pybots/pybots.html | 08:53 |
| ted-ious | Anybody know of other games that teach programming to kids? | 08:53 |
| fonky123 | modeset=0 and or and modeset=1 didnt help | 08:53 |
| onefang | When I was looking through the games in Devuan on the weekend I spotted several games for teaching kids coding. | 08:54 |
| onefang | My turn to try vga=ask. | 08:54 |
| ted-ious | fonky123: Do you have a laptop or external monitor? | 08:55 |
| fonky123 | its a desktop, so yeah there is a screen | 08:56 |
| fonky123 | but just one | 08:56 |
| ted-ious | Can you reset it? | 08:56 |
| fonky123 | the screen? | 08:56 |
| ted-ious | Yes. | 08:56 |
| ted-ious | I have had monitors that got confused when auto detecting the resolution and they cut off the bottom or top of the screen. | 08:57 |
| ted-ious | Rsetting them while the system is booted helped. | 08:57 |
| fonky123 | well daedalus works out of the box | 08:58 |
| fonky123 | using live-dvd | 08:58 |
| fonky123 | jessie also works | 08:58 |
| CueXXIII | hm, so the kernel driver is broken… | 08:58 |
| fonky123 | ill try installing daedalus next | 08:59 |
| ted-ious | I would still try resetting the monitor. | 08:59 |
| fonky123 | i cant find it | 08:59 |
| fonky123 | its aoc g2778v | 08:59 |
| ted-ious | It should be in the menu somewhere. | 08:59 |
| fonky123 | reset done | 09:01 |
| friedhelm | clones of classic games: https://software.opensuse.org/package/atomiks https://software.opensuse.org/package/simplesok | 09:01 |
| fonky123 | let me try again | 09:01 |
| onefang | No, the vga=ask stuff didn't turn up on the VMs serial console. And it only changed to the selected mode at about the same late boot point it did before, it changed to the minimal mode to ask me the mode, which meant not all of them could fit on screen. | 09:02 |
| CueXXIII | fonky123: what exact cpu do you have in that machine? | 09:02 |
| fonky123 | cue 2600 non k | 09:02 |
| fonky123 | h67m is the motherboard, screen connected via hdmi 1.4 | 09:03 |
| fonky123 | asrock | 09:03 |
| gnarface | fonky123: hey, i just remembered something | 09:05 |
| fonky123 | cool :) | 09:05 |
| gnarface | fonky123: that vga option may actually be able to take an explicit resolution and color depth setting too now | 09:05 |
| gnarface | fonky123: something like "vga=1280x1024@32" or something | 09:06 |
| gnarface | not sure if that's just a version thing or a driver thing or what | 09:06 |
| fonky123 | if entering vga=ask i get a plethora of options, from 80x50 -> 1920x1080 | 09:06 |
| gnarface | but that's the thing i remembered about the last couple times that it came up | 09:06 |
| fonky123 | screen is 60hz though | 09:06 |
| CueXXIII | so it's a syndybridge processor… arch wiki suggests i915.enable_fbc=0 since that might be broken around and before sandybridge | 09:06 |
| onefang | Something else for me to try. | 09:06 |
| CueXXIII | sandybridge* | 09:06 |
| fonky123 | it is complete and utter trash | 09:06 |
| fonky123 | intel | 09:06 |
| gnarface | fonky123: however, just fyi, from the old days i seem to recall it was usually something like vga=782, not vga=1 or 2 | 09:07 |
| fonky123 | never ever going intel again | 09:07 |
| CueXXIII | i'm happy with intel for desktops, though. unless you really need graphics performance, that is | 09:07 |
| fonky123 | let me try out those two options | 09:08 |
| fonky123 | will report | 09:08 |
| friedhelm | Don't know if it might help. I have "intel_iommu=igfx_off" within my grub commandline. Doesn't hurt to try. | 09:10 |
| friedhelm | I think it turns off hardware acceleration or some such. Don't remember. | 09:11 |
| * onefang gives up. Not like I reboot often, and more important things to work on now. | 09:12 | |
| friedhelm | Should be documented with the i915 driver. | 09:12 |
| friedhelm | Hm.. Just doing an upgrade on ceres I got this: "There is 1 newly obsolete package: deborphan" WTF??? | 11:01 |
| fonky123 | i915.enable_fcb=0 didnt do the trick | 11:01 |
| fonky123 | fbc sorry | 11:04 |
| Unit193 | friedhelm: #1065312 | 11:07 |
| friedhelm | Thanks, I'm getting disappointed with Debian more and more... | 11:12 |
| CueXXIII | friedhelm: usually deborphan should be obsoleted by apt now tracking manually and automatically installed packages. though i still use debfoster… | 11:42 |
| friedhelm | Yes, what I hate, is their attitude. Just removing tools without priour notice is just not a way to do it. | 11:45 |
| friedhelm | I'll simply add deborphan to my local, private repository. | 11:45 |
| CueXXIII | fonky123: or just install daedalus and upgrade it, but leave the kernel packages on hold | 11:45 |
| libertalia | hello everyone, hope you're doing good. I'm trying to run rootless containers (Podman Desktop) and it throws an error about subiods.oticed in etc/subuid and subgid, my username isn't listed but instead there is devuan:100000:65536 | 17:30 |
| libertalia | *subuids. I noticed in /etc/.. | 17:30 |
| libertalia | Is it safe to rename with my username instead of devuan? I never noticed this anywhere else in the system, the installation a year ago did correctly name my username (checked with whoami), homefolder and all | 17:32 |
| rwp | libertalia, It's not a problem to rename user names or user ids. I do that routinely. | 17:35 |
| rwp | Changing user names is easy as those are stored in /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, /etc/gshadow and if all of those files have the name content renamed then that's all there is to be done. | 17:36 |
| libertalia | To be safer instead if overwriting I added a new line for my username to those subuid and subgid files and now podman works correctly. | 17:50 |
| libertalia | Those other /etc/ files that you mention all have my username and none have devuan. Maybe some error occurred when installing from the live usb? which I'm guessing has default user devuan | 17:50 |
| libertalia | Btw thanks rwp | 17:51 |
| rwp | libertalia, I wasn't sure where you were wanting to rename things. And I am fuzzy on the container questions as I am not running Podman Desktop container. | 17:59 |
| rwp | My understanding is that the subuids are selected from the subuid list for the user. So that the user can run a container as them and not root. Hence rootless container. | 17:59 |
| rwp | I thought you were describing an install that installed a "devuan" user and wanted to rename it to something else so that you could use your own username. | 17:59 |
| rwp | And so that was where my information came from about where user names are stored in the system account set of files that make up the system account database. | 18:00 |
| rwp | I am really not very good at Docker type containers. Sorry. So anything I say about those might be suspect hearsay information. | 18:01 |
| libertalia | Yes your understanding is spot on. All resolved on my end. But I think that the word devuan ended up on those two files (in place of my username) by accident/bug. Other users that I created after installation were correctly there. If it helps I'm running devuan testing..maybe other people could encounter the same little problem and be confused. | 18:06 |
| rwp | It's also likely for many changes to flow through Unstable->Testing and then be replaced with new behavior Unstable->Testing, repeating over the development years, and never show up in Stable. | 18:11 |
| rwp | Glad you have things worked out! | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | libertalia, how did you install devuan testing with live-usb? I don't recall publishing any testing live isos. | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | And did you change the username during the install, or is user 1000 still devuan? | 18:16 |
| libertalia | I'm sorry not live usb, I should say installation media (devuan-excalibur) | 18:21 |
| libertalia | Yes I did change it, id gives uid=1000(libertalia) | 18:21 |
| rrq | when libertalia returns, please thank them for testing a devuan_excalibur installer-iso and that the subuid/subgid issue is to be checked up. | 23:18 |
| rrq | as general fyi: there are man pages for subuid (i.e. /etc/subuid) and subgid, and some the web offers some discussions about them. | 23:22 |
| mason | rrq: What's the subuid/subgid issue? Is there a bug open? I've messed with that stuff enough that I might be able to assisst. | 23:27 |
| mason | assist | 23:27 |
| rrq | issue was that seemingly a "devuan" user entry was added automatically without there being a "devuan" user. | 23:28 |
| rwp | mason, http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-04-17.log.html#t2024-04-17T17:30:22 | 23:28 |
| mason | Oh, interesting. Holdover from install environment maybe. rwp: thanks, looking | 23:29 |
| mason | Oh, just the immediate backlog here. | 23:29 |
| mason | Ah, libertalia left. But for rwp, rrq, fsmithred: The contents of subuid and subgid are pretty malleable. It's not required that a user have them at all. However, note that if root is running unprivileged containers, even root needs a subuid/subgid entry. There aren't many tools that modify those by hand, so it's generally safe to add or adjust ranged manually. Also, you can have multiple ranges specified | 23:49 |
| mason | for a user, or one big range, as I remember - the tooling doesn't care about anything other than "can the user claim this range" and that applies to root running unpriv'd as well. | 23:50 |
| mason | My main use of subuid/subgid is hinted at here: https://github.com/ChibaPet/lxc-utils/blob/main/notes.md | 23:51 |
| rrq | ta. my special interest would bw why the installer, in their installation case, would smack in a ghost entry; i.e. where does that come from? should/can it be avoided? | 23:55 |
| mason | rrq: My current (baseless, speculative) | 23:58 |
| mason | thinking is that the installer environment logs the user into a "devuan" user and that that's getting copied in. Not even a complete idea, but where I'd start. | 23:59 |
| mason | rrq: Can you link me to the specific media? I can run it here and see if I end up with that entry, and then trace it. | 23:59 |
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