| bbuccianti | I have perl and perl-base 5.32.0-4 | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| bbuccianti | also perl-modules-5.28 and perl-modules-5.32 | 00:01 |
| bbuccianti | maybe I need to go back to perl-modules-5.28? | 00:01 |
| gnarface | "ii" are the installed ones | 00:02 |
| bbuccianti | yeah both are installed | 00:02 |
| gnarface | sometimes stuff that was removed will still be listed as "rc" if it was not purged | 00:02 |
| gnarface | perl-base is suspect, i have 5.30.3-4 here | 00:03 |
| gnarface | roll that back and the rest might sort itself | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | same version | 00:03 |
| gnarface | i have perl-modules-5.30 | 00:03 |
| gnarface | er, i mean 5.30.3-4 | 00:03 |
| gnarface | same version as the perl version yea | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | IMO it's better to wait awhile for new builds | 00:04 |
| gnarface | probably that stuff works best if it all is of matching version | 00:04 |
| bbuccianti | version 5.30.3-4 for perl-base was not found | 00:04 |
| gnarface | ouch | 00:04 |
| gnarface | they removed it already | 00:04 |
| gnarface | you'd have to get it from snapshots then | 00:04 |
| bbuccianti | snapshots? | 00:04 |
| gnarface | unless it's still in your /var/cache/ directory | 00:04 |
| gnarface | in /var/cache/apt perhaps | 00:04 |
| bbuccianti | yeah! | 00:05 |
| bbuccianti | there it is | 00:05 |
| gnarface | http://snapshot.debian.org/ | 00:05 |
| gnarface | this is snapshots | 00:05 |
| bbuccianti | I have thosein cache | 00:05 |
| gnarface | i don't know if there's a devuan one, but it would work for unforked packages like perl | 00:05 |
| gnarface | your lucky day then perhaps | 00:05 |
| bbuccianti | so I can just pass it over to apt? | 00:05 |
| gnarface | should work, no guarantees, downgrades aren't strictly supported | 00:06 |
| bbuccianti | so now, how can I install all those packages like keyboard-configuration? | 00:07 |
| bbuccianti | those are not default ones? | 00:07 |
| bbuccianti | can I install a default-system package or something? | 00:07 |
| brocashelm | it's an essential package, so it should be patched asap | 00:07 |
| bbuccianti | patched? | 00:08 |
| brocashelm | by the debian devs for sid | 00:09 |
| bbuccianti | oh I see | 00:09 |
| bbuccianti | well thanks a lot gnarface and brocashelm ! | 00:09 |
| brocashelm | np | 00:09 |
| brocashelm | good luck | 00:09 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: the meta-packages that group presets of packages are all named starting with "task-" try this: apt-cache search ^task- | 00:09 |
| gnarface | something like task-desktop or task-laptop might be in order if you feel like you're missing a lot of stuff and you don't want to hunt everything individually | 00:10 |
| bbuccianti | yeah I rebooted and still don't have keymap on login screen | 00:11 |
| bbuccianti | let me try that ^task- serach | 00:11 |
| gnarface | there might be some elogind related backend library package that could be wrong too | 00:12 |
| gnarface | ran into something like that before but can't remember the package name | 00:13 |
| gnarface | something related to elogind or the graphical login | 00:13 |
| gnarface | hibernate/snooze buttons on the login screen weren't working either until i changed it | 00:13 |
| bbuccianti | Oh I just have the console login screen | 00:14 |
| gnarface | oh hmmm | 00:14 |
| gnarface | do you have a /etc/default/keyboard file? | 00:14 |
| bbuccianti | yes | 00:14 |
| gnarface | that's where the setting is stored | 00:14 |
| bbuccianti | with the correct kxblayout and xkbvariant | 00:14 |
| bbuccianti | us and dvorak | 00:14 |
| gnarface | if it's not working then i don't know either, sorry :( | 00:15 |
| gnarface | could be a bug, unstable can be a mess | 00:15 |
| bbuccianti | yeah, but sway isn't on beowulf | 00:15 |
| bbuccianti | maybe it is a service or something? | 00:18 |
| gnarface | not as far as i know | 00:18 |
| rrq | unixbsd: pm | 00:18 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" doesn't help? | 00:18 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: i told you to make sure locales and tzdata were installed too right | 00:18 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: ? | 00:18 |
| gnarface | brb | 00:19 |
| bbuccianti | yeah I forgot about those | 00:19 |
| bbuccianti | let me check | 00:19 |
| bbuccianti | I have locales 2.31-4 | 00:20 |
| bbuccianti | tzdata 2020d-1 | 00:21 |
| gnarface | you can dpkg-reconfigure them too | 00:22 |
| gnarface | and most people don't need to go through all the hassle setting up exim4 that they do, because "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" covers most standard configurations | 00:23 |
| bbuccianti | warning! setting locale failed | 00:25 |
| bbuccianti | I have a paniclog from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config | 00:29 |
| bbuccianti | malformed IP address notset in local_interfaces | 00:30 |
| bbuccianti | I don't even know what is exim4 | 00:30 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: ignore that one for now | 01:26 |
| gnarface | bbuccianti: that's email | 01:26 |
| golinux | bbuccianti: If you don't know what exim4 is, maybe you shouldn't be running ceres . . . | 02:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | golinux: exim is a horror that nobody should use by default for email. That default really sux... | 02:30 |
| Unit193 | It's fine, decent even, for system email at least. But otherwise... | 02:49 |
| golinux | The issue isn;t sxim but a user trying to run ceres. | 02:52 |
| Centurion_Dan | I'd use msmtp or ssmtp for a system email even then it's pointless unless you setup your email client to access it... | 02:52 |
| fsmithred | using those requires intervention | 02:53 |
| golinux | That isn't what is being discussed here | 02:53 |
| fsmithred | using exim for system mail requires only installing it | 02:53 |
| fsmithred | yes it is | 02:53 |
| fsmithred | but we're probably done | 02:54 |
| golinux | Someone who said this: <bbuccianti> I don't even know what is exim4 | 02:54 |
| fsmithred | several hours ago | 02:54 |
| golinux | Is running ceres and bitching about it. | 02:54 |
| golinux | So Dan's changing the subject is not the topicf | 02:55 |
| * golinux is quite grumpy tonight | 02:55 | |
| Centurion_Dan | exim has problems and can cause startup to hang if network isn't available. It's not a good default for desktop systems. | 03:13 |
| Centurion_Dan | speaking of which - I'm setting up some client laptops with Devuan and wondering if about xfce vs Mate for soon to be ex windows users... | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | I know there are mate users, but I am not one of them. There may be useful info at the forum. | 03:15 |
| fsmithred | in the past, there were issues with mate power-manager, but I don't know if that's still the case. Some were using xfce-power-manager. | 03:16 |
| fsmithred | in ascii, I think | 03:16 |
| * enyc meows | 03:30 | |
| enyc | Centurion_Dan: MATE good for those who used win2000/xp a lot, 'taskbar' .... | 03:31 |
| enyc | Centurion_Dan: Cinnamon desktop is more like win10 application icons ....... | 03:31 |
| dzhigit | I just upgraded ceres and got the perl issue | 03:57 |
| enyc | dzhigit: hehe welcome to unstable! | 04:03 |
| dzhigit | so it says it depends on perlapi-5.30.0 but it also says that perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by perl-base? | 04:05 |
| dzhigit | oh I see | 04:06 |
| dzhigit | Package perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by: perl-base 5.30.3-4 [Not candidate version] | 04:06 |
| dzhigit | the candidate version is perl-base 5.32.0-4 | 04:07 |
| dzhigit | libtext-iconv-perl needs to be updated to perlapi-5.32.0 | 04:13 |
| dzhigit | that will make it work with the latest perl-base | 04:13 |
| Xenguy | I never understood why Debian chose Exim4 as their default MTA, but they did... | 04:39 |
| furrywolf | because sendmail has lovecraftian configs? | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | I ended up switching to Postfix, when I ran one myself | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | yeah, sendmail, uh boy | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | It was the venerable one, but oh the security issues | 04:41 |
| yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp/20201109-085149-UTC__eeeeeeeeh....png <<< ??? | 09:55 |
| yeti | devuan3/armhf | 09:55 |
| yeti | PEBCAK? | 09:56 |
| clort | what's devuan3 | 10:01 |
| clort | if i download it, i get libexif12_0.6.21-5.1+deb10u4_armhf.deb yeti | 10:06 |
| clort | not updated today | 10:07 |
| yeti | 3 = beowulf | 10:08 |
| clort | ah. i have beowulf armhf also | 10:08 |
| clort | what causes packages to be missing in the repo? | 10:09 |
| yeti | apt-cache policy libexif12 # sees the missing version in security updates | 10:09 |
| yeti | maybe I consequently hit a broken mirror | 10:10 |
| clort | updating and regrabbing i get the deb10u5 | 10:12 |
| clort | is there some RSS for security update notifications that just pulls from packages i have installed? | 10:13 |
| yeti | E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libe/libexif/libexif12_0.6.21-5.1+deb10u5_armhf.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:878:346::116 80] | 10:14 |
| yeti | via apt-get | 10:14 |
| yeti | deBIans fault? | 10:14 |
| clort | i guess so | 10:14 |
| clort | mine is 314264 bytes and md5sum 12db515d2f48e1c7d18f9eac1c55babe | 10:15 |
| clort | babe :) | 10:15 |
| yeti | grabbing it directly via https://packages.debian.org/buster/armhf/libexif12/download | 10:17 |
| yeti | it matches your checksum | 10:17 |
| yeti | ok... now the rest updates via the standard way... | 10:19 |
| yeti | maybe DNS tricksery leading only me @.de to a sick debian-srcurity mirror | 10:22 |
| yeti | all that shit got far to complex these days | 10:22 |
| yeti | anfd falls apart | 10:23 |
| * yeti threatens te penguin to switch back to CP/M-Z80... | 10:24 | |
| yeti | :-Þ | 10:24 |
| clort | ah talkin bout my generation | 10:25 |
| yeti | we ran kind of CP/M until winME! | 10:26 |
| yeti | GUI atop DOS which is a reengeneered CP/M | 10:26 |
| yeti | someone should add dirs to 8bitish CP/M | 10:27 |
| yeti | that 'd be heaven | 10:27 |
| yeti | emulators lack disk juggling which was our emulation of dirs back then | 10:28 |
| yeti | someday I'll try to build an emulator with swappable SPI eeproms or flashs | 10:28 |
| yeti | to get the disk juggling feeling back | 10:29 |
| clort | we had to use partitions for directories | 10:29 |
| clort | on the 10MB seagate | 10:29 |
| yeti | 16M flashs are cheap | 10:29 |
| clort | it was cringe even at the time | 10:30 |
| yeti | and 8M + indexing data os max size of a cpm2 FS | 10:30 |
| yeti | os->is | 10:30 |
| clort | ah. we moved our app to z-dos | 10:30 |
| yeti | I used DR's cpm2 and -3 | 10:31 |
| yeti | more *2 | 10:31 |
| yeti | ok... but we get hit by a frying pan soon for offtopic... | 10:32 |
| rrq | timely :) please move chit-chat to #devuan-offtopic | 10:32 |
| brocashelm | bbuccianti: did you ever get your dvorak problem solved? packages aren't held back now if you check with apt update | 16:53 |
| bbuccianti | brocashelm: I keep trying, nothing yet | 21:57 |
| suavedandy | Can anybody help me with LightDM? | 21:59 |
| hagbard_ | Depends on what you need help with | 22:00 |
| suavedandy | I was running it in test mode and it complained about org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit not being provided by any .service file. | 22:02 |
| hagbard_ | is consolekit installed? | 22:02 |
| suavedandy | No but it replaces elogind. | 22:03 |
| suavedandy | And apparently it has systemd dependencies. | 22:04 |
| suavedandy | And systemd doesn't exist on Devuan. | 22:04 |
| suavedandy | So the possibility of it working is questionable. | 22:05 |
| Wonka | I have lightdm running nicely | 22:05 |
| Wonka | without consolekit, with elogind | 22:05 |
| suavedandy | Try starting it with --test-mode. | 22:05 |
| suavedandy | Stop the service and then start lightdm with --test-mode | 22:06 |
| Wonka | I currently do not want to quit my firefox... | 22:06 |
| gnarface | i thought lightdm was in the repo | 22:07 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't need to install a systemd-dependent version of it | 22:07 |
| Wonka | it is | 22:07 |
| suavedandy | No, it depends on ConsoleKit. | 22:07 |
| suavedandy | Well, not really but it complains to the console. | 22:07 |
| suavedandy | Whoops. | 22:09 |
| suavedandy | Pardon mona mi. | 22:10 |
| gnarface | there should be consolekit in the repo too, i assume you just discovered? | 22:10 |
| suavedandy | Yes but it replaces elogind. | 22:11 |
| Wonka | I see a dependency on "default-logind | logind | consolekit" | 22:11 |
| suavedandy | And, like, you cannot go bacc. | 22:11 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 22:11 |
| Wonka | which is satisfied by "libpam-elogind 243.8-1" from testing,unstable here | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | I think complaints about missing service files are irrelevant, aren't they? | 22:11 |
| gnarface | they might be, not sure | 22:12 |
| suavedandy | I dunno. | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | I see them a lot and ignore them | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | same with gtk errors | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | as long as stuff is working | 22:12 |
| suavedandy | Well, seems like libpam-elogind is already installed. | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | you might want libelogind0 if you don't already have it. | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | it replaces libsystemd0 | 22:13 |
| suavedandy | Well, I have it. | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | does lightdm work? | 22:15 |
| Wonka | I only see one complaint, and that's about org.freedesktop.Accounts not being provided by any .service file | 22:15 |
| suavedandy | Try it, fsmithred. Try "aptitude install consolekit." And it will show that it'll try to delete everything, including elogind. | 22:15 |
| suavedandy | Have no idea why. | 22:15 |
| suavedandy | But that's what I get. | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | holy shit, no I'm not going to try to install consolekit | 22:16 |
| Wonka | well, don't do that then! *duck* | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | I'm using elognind | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | logenid | 22:16 |
| suavedandy | Wonka: Install accountsservice. | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | fuch | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | elogind | 22:16 |
| Wonka | suavedandy: I'm not missing anything, so why should I? | 22:16 |
| suavedandy | "elognind." | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | why do you want consolekit? | 22:16 |
| suavedandy | LOL. | 22:16 |
| suavedandy | Elognisium. | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | hey, don't get personal | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, what desktop are you using? | 22:18 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Wait. libpam-elogind from backports? | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | why from backports? | 22:18 |
| suavedandy | SpectrWM. | 22:18 |
| suavedandy | You said from testing/unstable. | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | I said what?? | 22:18 |
| suavedandy | Wonka said. | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | there's no libpam-elogind in beowulf backports | 22:19 |
| suavedandy | OOF. | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | and you probably want to use the one that goes with the suite you're running | 22:19 |
| suavedandy | Well, gentlemen, we're fucked. | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | care to explain what the problem is? | 22:20 |
| suavedandy | As Wonka said, we need libpam-elogind from testing. | 22:20 |
| suavedandy | That's what he said. | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | are you running chimaera? | 22:20 |
| suavedandy | Nope. Beowulf. | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | and what would be the reason for using libpam-elogind from testing? | 22:21 |
| bbuccianti | where is the log from the login console? | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | seems like there would be some version conflicts | 22:21 |
| bbuccianti | those that you can see before login | 22:21 |
| suavedandy | I dunno. Wonka said it. | 22:21 |
| suavedandy | I wonder that myself. | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | I'll ask you again; what problem are you having? | 22:22 |
| suavedandy | Just a warning. | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | about some systemd shit | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | ignore it | 22:22 |
| suavedandy | Okay. | 22:22 |
| suavedandy | Does that happen often with systemd shit on Devuan? | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | I think the only way to get rid of some of those warnings is to install systemd | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | and I sometimes wonder if it's deliberate | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | just to annoy us | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | I see org.freedesktop warnings very frequently | 22:23 |
| suavedandy | On Void I had warnings as well. Tho in that case it was because there was no elogind and polkit. | 22:24 |
| suavedandy | I was testing swaylock. | 22:25 |
| suavedandy | And got warnings like these. | 22:25 |
| bbuccianti | ooh I have a failed to execute /etc/console-setup/cached_setup_font.sh no such file or directory | 22:25 |
| bbuccianti | ayeeee | 22:28 |
| bbuccianti | turns out I didn't have console-setup installed | 22:28 |
| bbuccianti | that's why keymap wasn't loading properly | 22:28 |
| bbuccianti | I think | 22:28 |
| golinux | PEBKAC strikes again | 22:29 |
| suavedandy | You know, perhaps ConsoleKit has no relation to systemd. | 22:31 |
| suavedandy | It still replaces elogind. | 22:31 |
| suavedandy | Gentoo Wiki says that the development of ConsoleKit wasn't active since 2017. | 22:31 |
| suavedandy | And recommends elogind instead. | 22:32 |
| suavedandy | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2282 | 22:32 |
| Wonka | I had consolekit logfiles from 2018... seems I purged it back then | 22:32 |
| Wonka | (rm'd them now) | 22:32 |
| Wonka | working fine here with elogind, libpam-elogind, console-setup, console-setup-linux | 22:33 |
| Wonka | lightdm and lightdm-greeter of course | 22:33 |
| fsmithred | see the release notes on when to use consolekit | 22:33 |
| Wonka | and xfce4 | 22:33 |
| suavedandy | That tweak did nothing. | 22:46 |
| suavedandy | But I mean, there's no point of systemd being commented out anyway. | 22:47 |
| suavedandy | Might as well just delete it. | 22:47 |
| suavedandy | Dem. Because I've marked the xorg package with -R I don't get that slick GRUB GUI anymore. | 22:50 |
| Burek | seems to me like devuan got quite a following over the years | 22:52 |
| suavedandy | Hmmmm. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | Awesome doesn't seem to… work. | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | What the frick? | 22:54 |
| gnarface | what does the xorg log say? | 22:55 |
| suavedandy | gnarface: Wait, I have an idea. I'll install xorg without the -R flag. | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | Oh, fuck. | 23:00 |
| suavedandy | I just realized. | 23:00 |
| suavedandy | I forgot to change the autologin session to AwesomeWM. | 23:00 |
| suavedandy | Fantastic. | 23:01 |
| mason | That's awesome. | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | I am an idiot. | 23:01 |
| Burek | nah, it happens | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | Kek, there's dev1fanboy's wiki? | 23:04 |
| suavedandy | Didn't know. | 23:04 |
| suavedandy | So that's where that minimal Xorg tutorial comes from. | 23:04 |
| suavedandy | Should LightDM be on runlevels 2-5 or only one of them? | 23:45 |
| suavedandy | Because when I turned it on with sysv-rc-conf it turned on for those runlevels. | 23:46 |
| suavedandy | Is this okay? | 23:46 |
| suavedandy | I suspect I should mark it as runlevel 5. | 23:50 |
| suavedandy | And I was absolutely wrong. | 23:53 |
| mason | suavedandy: If you read /etc/inittab it describes what the different runlevels are. | 23:57 |
| mason | What we've got isn't traditional, but there it is. | 23:57 |
| mason | But in terms of traditional stuff, 5 is correct. | 23:58 |
| suavedandy | Maybe I should change the default runlevel? | 23:58 |
| mason | If you want, sure. | 23:59 |
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