| rrq | debdog: I believe the version diffs btw amd66 and i386 are fewer now, and esp util-linux is sync'ed (which was the problem a while ago) | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| rrq | amd64 even | 00:05 |
| debdog | good to know. got to give it another trial the upcoming days | 00:09 |
| vsnu | Sup everyone. Trying to figure out if I'm calling a C function incorrectly, or if there's a bug. I'm trying to use sleep(seconds) in an infinite 'while' loop. This kind of thing can be done pretty easily in a shell loop. But, the C program will lock up, process everything, then output everything all at once. Is this normal behavior? | 02:05 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: his is in legacy mode but UEFI capable, my T510's are not UEFI capable | 02:41 |
| stovepipe | he says he had to put it in legacy mode to boot the USB... i doubt this is true but i havent walked through any of that with him | 02:41 |
| stovepipe | about to test on this machine, T520 is UEFI capable | 02:42 |
| stovepipe | both T510's had the same result | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | stovepipe, my T420 is set to legacy and won't boot from usb. I have to chainload from cdrom to grub on hard disk and then to the usb. Probably needs updated bios. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | and the isos should all boot on uefi with the exception of the minimal-live | 03:12 |
| stovepipe | just tested the T520, with and without UEFI and in text mode | 03:14 |
| stovepipe | for sanity | 03:14 |
| stovepipe | same result, different files | 03:14 |
| stovepipe | this time it wanted 2, 6000g2a-6 and 6000g2a-5 | 03:14 |
| stovepipe | next trying a different mirror i guess | 03:15 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: interesting my T520 boots usb in legacy only mode | 03:16 |
| stovepipe | i thought they were almost identical | 03:16 |
| stovepipe | oh updated bios, yeah maybe | 03:16 |
| stovepipe | mine are all up to the latest available | 03:16 |
| stovepipe | the other dude never did | 03:17 |
| stovepipe | also the other dude tried debian like 6 months ago and had the same result | 03:17 |
| tocsa | I'm on ceres/beowulf. Most of my xfce4 packages are 4.14 now since summer, but the main xfce4 package is still only 4.12, because one package holds it back: the xcfe4-session is only 4.12 | 03:17 |
| stovepipe | and there is also the fact that the devuan 2.0 images all work fine | 03:18 |
| tocsa | Anyone else is in the same situation as me? | 03:18 |
| stovepipe | also i installed antix recently on one of the T510's and that worked also | 03:19 |
| furrywolf | xfce4-session is probably something where each release needs to be modified to work without systemd | 03:19 |
| furrywolf | and no one has fixed the newer version yet | 03:19 |
| tocsa | @furrywolf interesting. Makes sense. I see that the xfce 4.14 would be available though. I wish I had time to help with this. Can Gentoo help us out just like with elogind? | 03:22 |
| furrywolf | I'm not sure. I'm mostly a tester/complainer, not a dev. | 03:22 |
| golinux | tocsa: That will be fixed after the beowulf release when we set up Chimaera (bullseye) | 03:24 |
| tocsa | What's your opinion about https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 ? Can we hope it'll yield some result which will help transitioning to a less systemd dominated world? | 03:25 |
| tocsa | @golinux Thx for the info. The system is mostly working OK (with workarounds), so I'll be patient. There was an occasion when I wanted to mirror my displays instead of extending it, and the selection was greyed out. I believe it'll be fixed in 4.14. | 03:26 |
| furrywolf | just skimming the voting, it looks like the result will be quite the opposite, with "focus on systemd" winning. | 03:27 |
| golinux | That shouldn't surprise you. | 03:28 |
| agris | I just installed OpenRC 40 in devuan Ascii | 03:34 |
| agris | It's very broken | 03:34 |
| agris | it's not actually running any of the daemon scripts | 03:34 |
| furrywolf | sadly, there's no option there for "kill systemd with fire". | 03:38 |
| agris | you talking about the debian gr? | 03:38 |
| furrywolf | yep | 03:39 |
| fsmithred | tocsa, xfce display settings in beowulf are already better than before. I no longer need to install lxrandr. I can't test with two monitors right now. | 03:39 |
| agris | furrywolf, I asked about that | 03:39 |
| agris | they told me I was a troll and said "you only don't like systemd for religious reasons" despite never saying such | 03:40 |
| agris | very very immature | 03:41 |
| agris | very unprofessional | 03:41 |
| agris | and close minded | 03:41 |
| tocsa | That's so sad | 03:41 |
| furrywolf | I'm pretty sure neither of us is allowed to vote in it. | 03:41 |
| golinux | Please tqake it to #debianfork | 03:42 |
| tocsa | Looked like to me it's open for Debian developers | 03:42 |
| golinux | This is a Devuan support channel | 03:42 |
| agris | well the results are going to get skewed because they alienated half their developers and those developers are now Devuan developers if I understand correctly and what people are saying the the archived forums is true | 03:42 |
| furrywolf | if debian decides to expunge all support for non-systemd inits, that rather makes devuan's development harder. | 03:42 |
| * fsmithred wishes we had that many devs | 03:43 | |
| agris | What is there left for Beowulf to release? | 03:43 |
| fsmithred | not sure. A few packages. Installer isos. Live isos. | 03:43 |
| agris | fsmithred, there's no other option if you need something as stable and polished as Devuan without systemd | 03:43 |
| agris | the only other thing, Hyperbola is based on Arch | 03:44 |
| agris | fsmithred, do you know where I could find out? | 03:44 |
| rdav | can anybody share where are the Debian GR vote results posted? | 03:44 |
| agris | because I really want to use openrc 40 | 03:44 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: the sums are different | 03:44 |
| fsmithred | which checksums? | 03:44 |
| stovepipe | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 03:44 |
| stovepipe | on taht leaseweb mirror | 03:44 |
| stovepipe | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 03:45 |
| furrywolf | rdav: I don't think results will be posted until voting closes. | 03:45 |
| agris | What is this a matter of? | 03:45 |
| rdav | furrywolf: thanks | 03:46 |
| stovepipe | testing the other image now | 03:46 |
| furrywolf | I suspect, however, having more devs second the only-systemd option than any of the others is an indicator of the likely result. | 03:46 |
| agris | If it's really just a matter of someone creating scripts, as soon as someone can tell me WHERE to put openrc-run scripts I can start submitting | 03:46 |
| fsmithred | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 is what the SHA256SUMS file says. I'll check it. | 03:47 |
| agris | I have no idea where any of this is being coordinated | 03:47 |
| agris | besides this chatroom | 03:47 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: yeah from the leaseweb one | 03:47 |
| agris | and nobody seems to know what's the status on beowulf either | 03:47 |
| stovepipe | the second one i posted is from another mirror | 03:47 |
| stovepipe | there is no reason for them to be different | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at files.devuan.org | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | bad download by leaseweb? | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | i mean, arent they all distributed from the same source and should be identical | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | the file says something different there? | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | the sumfile has the bad sum in it also | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | yes | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | fuck | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | malicious mirror? | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | link please | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 03:48 |
| stovepipe | yup, the image from another mirror works | 03:49 |
| stovepipe | fuck me | 03:49 |
| stovepipe | i knew i should have checked that last night heh | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | that's the one I used | 03:50 |
| stovepipe | yeah that one works for me now | 03:50 |
| stovepipe | theres no reason for the SHA256SUMS files to ever be different | 03:51 |
| stovepipe | yet they are, and match the files | 03:51 |
| stovepipe | that smells like a rat | 03:51 |
| tocsa | @fsmithred yea, mostly I don't have any problem either | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | hang on stovepipe. I might know what happened, but I need to check a couple things. | 03:52 |
| stovepipe | did you push an update or something that didnt get picked up | 03:53 |
| agris | fsmithred, what's going on? a malicious ISO? | 03:53 |
| stovepipe | agris: iso sums and SHA256SUMS from leaseweb dont match other mirrors | 03:58 |
| stovepipe | for 2.1 | 03:58 |
| stovepipe | the 2.0 stuff checks out | 03:58 |
| agris | stovepipe, have you determined the intent? Is it malicious or disk corruption | 03:58 |
| stovepipe | just realized it moments ago | 03:58 |
| stovepipe | after trying to troubleshoot a problem with the iso since last night | 03:59 |
| stovepipe | not loading wireless firmware | 03:59 |
| stovepipe | agris: there is no reason for the SHA256SUMS ever to have different sums in it | 04:00 |
| stovepipe | unless the release was pushed twice and one didnt get it or something | 04:00 |
| fsmithred | I don't think it's malicious | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | still checking some stuff | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | 029a81a06afe8823b6c556e28fa16f9390d11f985b83f499949e96bd993b66b6 devuan_ascii_2.1_i386_netinst.iso | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | that's what's on files.devuan.org - I just logged into that server and checked. | 04:02 |
| fsmithred | Nov 19 date on that file | 04:02 |
| agris | I don't see any difference on leaseweb | 04:02 |
| furrywolf | belltower.us is using an expired cert, need to prod the admin or remove it from the list | 04:02 |
| fsmithred | Mine is from Oct 21 and might be a pre-release build | 04:02 |
| fsmithred | stovepipe, I believe you are correct about twice | 04:03 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure that's what happened | 04:03 |
| fsmithred | check the sig on the SHA256SUMS file | 04:04 |
| stovepipe | oh yeah heh its the older one that works | 04:04 |
| furrywolf | the iso on sledjhamr is the same as the one on leaseweb | 04:04 |
| stovepipe | but is that the actual date | 04:04 |
| stovepipe | so the leaseweb one is the latest official, but is also the broken one? | 04:05 |
| fsmithred | the one on files.devuan.org would be the latest | 04:05 |
| fsmithred | that's where we upload them | 04:05 |
| onefang | sledjhamr is rsyncinc from files.devuan.org::devuan. | 04:05 |
| stovepipe | so then the new one is actually the broken one | 04:06 |
| stovepipe | good tiems! | 04:07 |
| furrywolf | files. is very slow. overloaded? | 04:07 |
| * furrywolf can't sha256sum it until it actually downloads. heh. | 04:11 | |
| furrywolf | (or, rather, until it downloads to my linode - they'd cost $2/each to download at home, tomorrow. yay mobile data...) | 04:12 |
| onefang | My mirror checking script will eventually check ISO mirrors as well as packages mirrors, so it might catch this sort of thing in the future. | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | both SHA256SUM files (from f.d.o and from leaseweb) are signed with Ralph's key | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | so if the file you downloaded from leasweb matches the sum in the file at leaseweb, it's real. | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | stovepipe, which one works for you? | 04:14 |
| furrywolf | so far I've checked leaseweb, sledjhamr, and dotsrc, and they all were the same. trying to check files., but it's taking a long time to download. | 04:15 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: the old one | 04:15 |
| stovepipe | same ine you were using | 04:15 |
| stovepipe | oct | 04:16 |
| fsmithred | ok | 04:16 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 04:16 |
| stovepipe | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 | 04:17 |
| stovepipe | also the dvd image was also broken btw | 04:17 |
| stovepipe | these are the two i tried that failed: | 04:17 |
| stovepipe | bf6629d949f51d0d874a47e4d9107a0f437c1f915bf816cae8f0ceef0ca0a1d5 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso | 04:17 |
| stovepipe | c16bebdeecdf452188ae4bb823cd5f1c0d2ed3a7a568332508943ce16f7e5c71 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:17 |
| stovepipe | oop heh | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | ok, I'm apparantly doing something wrong, or not understanding what the issue here is, as I'm getting identical isos from files. too. | 04:18 |
| stovepipe | these: | 04:18 |
| stovepipe | 44717ec9100b3ab6256bbc14c01b71bd013e9f064d8b28251992722463175d3f devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_dvd-1.iso | 04:18 |
| stovepipe | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:18 |
| stovepipe | are broken ones | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | here is the result of my testing, while we're flooding things: | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 dotsrc-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 files-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 leaseweb-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 sledjhamr-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso | 04:18 |
| stovepipe | that i tested personally | 04:18 |
| furrywolf | I got the same iso from all four sources, including files. and leaseweb. | 04:19 |
| furrywolf | I don't see any mirror synchronization issues. | 04:19 |
| stovepipe | yeah those are the newer ones that are broken | 04:19 |
| furrywolf | ok... so it's not a mirror issue, then? | 04:19 |
| stovepipe | well yeah it is | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | somewhere | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | because they dont all have the same versions | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | and the oct 21 dated ones work | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | nov dont | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | these work http://mirror.belltower.us/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 04:20 |
| stovepipe | by "work" i mean dont have the wireless firmware problem | 04:21 |
| furrywolf | ok, so belltower isn't updating, and probably should be removed from the mirror list, since their ssl cert is expired too. and we have a regression bug where the latest 2.1 release doesn't work while the previous 2.1 release does, entirely unrelated to mirrors. lol | 04:22 |
| furrywolf | hrmm. why don't install isos have a more-minor version number? seems we should have one, to make things like this obvious. | 04:23 |
| MinceR | they could have a date | 04:23 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: where did you get your image from originally, the one that worked? also from belltower? | 04:25 |
| stovepipe | that would be quite a coincidence lol | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | no, I either got it from fdo or from Ralph's server | 04:26 |
| fsmithred | before it was released | 04:26 |
| fsmithred | who controls belltower? | 04:26 |
| onefang | Which one is Ralph's server? sledjhamr is mine. | 04:26 |
| fsmithred | borta | 04:27 |
| fsmithred | not a mirror | 04:27 |
| fsmithred | so I should download the newer one and test it. | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | tomorrow | 04:28 |
| agris | stovepipe, please re-download the ISO | 04:28 |
| agris | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 is the correct hash | 04:29 |
| furrywolf | agris: I think we've figured out the problem. | 04:29 |
| stovepipe | lol i'm way past that | 04:29 |
| stovepipe | the proper one is broken | 04:29 |
| furrywolf | agris: stovepipe used a mirror that isn't updating, and has an old iso. by some coincidence, there's a regression in the installer since then, and the old version works while the new one, on every other mirror, does not. | 04:29 |
| stovepipe | i had him use 2.0 and upgrade | 04:29 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: oh so it was just an image you already had kicking around? | 04:30 |
| stovepipe | funny sequence of events | 04:30 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 04:30 |
| stovepipe | good thing it wasnt an important customer lol | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | same date as the belltower files | 04:31 |
| stovepipe | he dgaf | 04:31 |
| furrywolf | agris: there's two issues. the big one is the current version of the installer does not work on a system where an older version of the installer does work. the other one is that one of the mirrors isn't syncing. | 04:31 |
| stovepipe | and the added comfort that he had th4 same problem with debian heh | 04:31 |
| agris | furrywolf, stovepipe, <rrq> for some reason I updated some 2.1 iso I believe.. I would have re-signed, but if it's wrong, it's wrong. | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't remember the reason it was updated | 04:32 |
| fsmithred | I'm downloading the newer iso now to see if I can reproduce the problem | 04:32 |
| stovepipe | furrywolf: and no my original issue was with the current one not loading wireless firmware, i didnt notice the old working one until just a little while ago which started the mirror questions | 04:33 |
| stovepipe | happened to click on an old one by accident while testing another mirror for sanity | 04:33 |
| stovepipe | since fsmithred had a working one | 04:33 |
| stovepipe | it almost got away! | 04:33 |
| onefang | lol | 04:34 |
| furrywolf | whomever maintains the mirror list shoud poke belltower's admin and determine if it'll be fixed or if it should be removed from the mirror list | 04:34 |
| onefang | I'm only maintaining the package mirrors at the moment. | 04:34 |
| furrywolf | this has come up before, but I don't remember who figured out has the job of removing dead mirrors. lol | 04:35 |
| onefang | Don't think I have the keys for the files mirror list. | 04:35 |
| onefang | I think the only ISO mirrors list is on the web page, but I might be wrong about that. | 04:36 |
| onefang | Unless there's a master list on files.devuan.org? | 04:37 |
| furrywolf | brb | 04:41 |
| agris | I've always just use bittorrent to download the releases | 04:44 |
| stovepipe | i was originally dealing with a remote user | 04:45 |
| stovepipe | i usually use wget in a term | 04:46 |
| agris | speaking of mirrors | 04:47 |
| agris | it would be interesting to see an IPFS based apt | 04:47 |
| fsmithred | stovepipe, I'm imaging a usb now. Will test in a little while. | 04:48 |
| stovepipe | fsmithred: another new one to push out? | 04:48 |
| agris | all you would have to do is adjust ipns resource to the correct directory containing the new tree | 04:48 |
| agris | but ipfs probably needs to mature more before that | 04:48 |
| fsmithred | no, I'm testing the one that's on fdo now | 04:50 |
| fsmithred | ok, I don't need to go very far. Like your customer, I got asked to plug in media with firmware. | 04:52 |
| fsmithred | there's no /firmware directory with links to the packages | 04:53 |
| stovepipe | funny how i clicked on that one mirror for m y sanity test | 04:56 |
| stovepipe | chaos rules | 04:56 |
| stovepipe | you are going to have to respin new images though right | 04:56 |
| onefang | Once my mirror checker script is checking ISO mirrors, the chaos will be automated. | 04:57 |
| stovepipe | heh | 04:57 |
| stovepipe | famous last words! | 04:57 |
| stovepipe | automated chaos is best chaos | 04:57 |
| furrywolf | lol | 05:00 |
| MinceR | does being inherent to the fabric of reality count as "automated"? | 05:01 |
| stovepipe | indeed | 05:01 |
| onefang | My scripting skills only go so far, fabric of reality is above my pay grade. | 05:01 |
| MinceR | :> | 05:01 |
| fsmithred | we could just tell everyone to go alt-F2 and make the symlinks manually. :P | 05:04 |
| golinux | ugh | 05:05 |
| fsmithred | you don't use wireless | 05:05 |
| furrywolf | the sad thing is, I've _always_ had to manually copy firmware. for debian too. putting it in the second partition never works. | 05:06 |
| furrywolf | nor does putting it on another usb key, in /, /firmware, or /lib/firmware... | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | that's what we have tried to avoid | 05:07 |
| tocsa | Just by curiosity, anyone has a guess why an ufw firewall stops working with such an error? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1197640/ufw-init-errors-out-with-bad-argument-drop | 08:05 |
| se7en- | 10:02 | |
| eyalroz | Hello Devuaners... | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | A question about sound-related console noise if I may. | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | I use audacious. When I pause the audio playing, I get: | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | snd_pcm_pause failed: Input/output error | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | and when unpausing, I get: | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | snd_pcm_pause failed: File descriptor in bad state | 19:47 |
| eyalroz | who's at fault? Is it my hardware, audacious, or something else? | 19:48 |
| eyalroz | (using Devuan Bewolf btw) | 19:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | yo | 21:53 |
| Oldmoss | Updating from Jessie to Ascii - should I do that from "root terminal" or is sudo enough? I see the example on devuan.org is using root2 | 21:57 |
| Oldmoss | root@ | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | Oldmoss, either will work | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | assuming you have sudo enabled for all commands | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | (all the right commands) | 22:10 |
| Oldmoss | ok. thanks! I'll give it a try on this laptop first, I have another one with Jessie that i have trouble with | 22:11 |
| Oldmoss | And two with older ascii installs that I have some trouble with too | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | what kind of trouble? | 22:17 |
| Oldmoss | Thunar windows getting unresponsive | 22:18 |
| Oldmoss | and i have two synaptic in the menu | 22:18 |
| Oldmoss | I may have messed up some rights... sometimes i cannot get stuff downloaded via browser | 22:20 |
| Oldmoss | thats the ascii installs btw | 22:21 |
| Oldmoss | the other Jessie install I cannot remebmer, its been awhile | 22:22 |
| Oldmoss | I think I will just try to get the important stuff out of it and make a clean install | 22:22 |
| Oldmoss | I'm getting flashback when I tried Mint and another one in Virtualbox on my mac | 22:23 |
| Oldmoss | after some time I just kind of lost control and they became unusable | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | you keep thunar set to show detailed list? | 22:24 |
| Oldmoss | I'm not good at this. but I try | 22:24 |
| Oldmoss | yes, with various columns | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | it's known to lock up some times in that setting | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | I keep it like that and it hardly ever happens, but when it does | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | if you can catch it quickly, use the key combinations to change the display | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | I think it's ctrl-1,2,3 for icons, short list, detailed list | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | probably not in that order | 22:27 |
| Oldmoss | thanks, i'll experiment with that | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | clean install is easier unless you have a ton of extra software that you added | 22:27 |
| Oldmoss | Oh, now I have a novel to read about changes and advices from jessie to ascii | 22:27 |
| golinux | I have never had Thunar lock up | 22:28 |
| Oldmoss | I have a ton of unnessesary software I have played around with :) | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | um, yeah, I know that one | 22:29 |
| Oldmoss | hm, lots of text about the xorg server after upgrading to ascii | 22:32 |
| Oldmoss | "xorg-server (2:1.17.3-1) unstable; urgency=medium" - should I panic or just try to be cool and nod a little | 22:33 |
| Oldmoss | ok, I just restart and see what happens | 22:33 |
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