| sokan | Hi. I was wondering if devuan supports all .deb packages and things that are in debian repo. For example something like: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/pcsx2 | 01:02 |
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| sokan | (provided that the packages don't require specific services tied to systemd that is ofc) | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes | 01:03 |
| debdog | any package except https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 01:03 |
| sokan | nice | 01:04 |
| sokan | thankd debdog :) | 01:04 |
| sokan | thanks* | 01:04 |
| debdog | haha, thankd, nice typo | 01:04 |
| debdog | prolly freudian | 01:05 |
| sokan | yeap :P | 01:05 |
| sokan | Was thinking just that right now | 01:05 |
| sokan | Going to get me a refurbished laptop and can't be bothered to go and install gentoo. Devu1 is the first things that came to mind as an alternative. Glad that I'll probably have 100% package coverage. As long as I figure out how to use apt-get S: | 01:07 |
| debdog | ...or aptitude, for that matter | 01:07 |
| sokan | indeed | 01:09 |
| sokan | lerning curve is hard with devuan i hope | 01:09 |
| debdog | masochist? | 01:09 |
| sokan | isn't* | 01:10 |
| debdog | ahh, hehe | 01:10 |
| sokan | I don't even want to start thinking Freudian now hehe | 01:10 |
| debdog | lol | 01:10 |
| sokan | anyway. Thanks for the info :) | 01:11 |
| debdog | any previous encounters with linux based distros? if so, which? | 01:11 |
| sokan | gentoo | 01:12 |
| sokan | arch and a bit mint before that | 01:12 |
| debdog | oh, ok | 01:12 |
| debdog | hmm, there is a systemd-free arch.... | 01:12 |
| sokan | well, I don't like pacman and that AUR thingy so much | 01:12 |
| debdog | ok | 01:12 |
| sokan | I want something that will be installed and just work :P | 01:13 |
| debdog | oy-vey | 01:13 |
| sokan | minimal tinkering and maintenance from me | 01:13 |
| sokan | thought devu1 was right up that alley | 01:14 |
| debdog | good thing, most ubuntu and ebian howtos work for devuan as well | 01:14 |
| debdog | *debian | 01:14 |
| sokan | That's a big plus | 01:14 |
| sokan | when the times comes I'll ask for more info here :) | 01:18 |
| sokan | oh | 01:18 |
| sokan | openrc works on latest release eh? | 01:18 |
| debdog | it should™, never tried it myself, though | 01:20 |
| debdog | there should be an option in the installer | 01:20 |
| sokan | okey doke | 01:20 |
| debdog | prolly do expert install | 01:20 |
| debdog | *have to do | 01:20 |
| sokan | might as well stick with default option | 01:21 |
| sokan | I won't be writing any service files anyway hehe | 01:21 |
| specing | openrc seems to work | 01:28 |
| specing | Ahhh, another Gentoo refugee ;) | 01:28 |
| hdb2 | long-time debian user here...installed devuan today for the first time, and so far so good - looks great, behaves exactly like one would expect. great work! | 02:19 |
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| g0zzy | if [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exit 0 fi That's in /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat. What follows (for Devuan) is slightly worrying. It looks like unattended-upgrades might not be run if someone powers up and then powers off fairly soon (within 30 minutes). Does any of you know about this? | 12:07 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: what are you talking about exactly? | 12:11 |
| g0zzy | That (afaics) is what kicks off unattended upgrades | 12:12 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: how is this relatev with unattended upgrades? | 12:12 |
| KatolaZ | ~related | 12:12 |
| g0zzy | afaics its what starts them | 12:13 |
| g0zzy | s/its/it's | 12:13 |
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| g0zzy | That script must be relatively new as it checks for systemd | 12:14 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: that's exactly the opposite | 12:15 |
| KatolaZ | if systemd is running, it will be in charge of running unattended upgrades, apparently | 12:15 |
| g0zzy | Sorry - don't follow | 12:16 |
| KatolaZ | that check tests if systemd is running | 12:16 |
| KatolaZ | if it's not, the script does not exit... | 12:16 |
| KatolaZ | please read the comment before that test in apt-compat | 12:16 |
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| g0zzy | Let's just leave the comments for now if we can. I'll tell you why in a minute | 12:17 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: sorry for asking, but is it clear to you what '[ -f FILE ]' means? | 12:17 |
| KatolaZ | or [ -d DIR ] in this case? | 12:18 |
| specing | golinux: +r please | 12:18 |
| g0zzy | Yes. It mean if the directory /run/systemd/system exists, exit the script | 12:18 |
| KatolaZ | so | 12:18 |
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| g0zzy | So that script only runs thereafter for non-systemd systems | 12:19 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 12:19 |
| KatolaZ | so why should this break unattended upgrades in Devuan? | 12:19 |
| g0zzy | OK. You had me worried. I thought you were saying the opposite at first ;) | 12:20 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 12:20 |
| KatolaZ | 12:08 < g0zzy> if [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exit 0 fi That's in /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat. What follows (for Devuan) is | 12:20 |
| KatolaZ | slightly worrying. It looks like unattended-upgrades might not be run if someone powers up and then powers off fairly | 12:20 |
| KatolaZ | soon (within 30 minutes). Does any of you know about this? | 12:20 |
| g0zzy | OK, i'll get there | 12:21 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: it was you who said that unattended upgrade might not be run... | 12:21 |
| KatolaZ | this is totally unrelated to the amount of time between boot and reboot | 12:21 |
| g0zzy | Have a look at random_sleep | 12:21 |
| KatolaZ | yeah, so what? | 12:21 |
| KatolaZ | this is unrelated to systemd still | 12:22 |
| g0zzy | (and note btw the first comment thereafter, that makes no sense [it's already been called]) | 12:22 |
| KatolaZ | and IIRC, that has been there for years | 12:22 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: could you please make your point clear? | 12:22 |
| g0zzy | How can it have been? It's checking for systemd | 12:23 |
| KatolaZ | -_- | 12:23 |
| KatolaZ | the REST of the script has been there FOR YEARS | 12:23 |
| g0zzy | Oh OK | 12:23 |
| KatolaZ | the check is there for systemd where systemd is actually running, AFAICT | 12:23 |
| KatolaZ | the logic is simple: if there is systemd, let it handle apt.daily | 12:24 |
| KatolaZ | else, do whatever you have been doing | 12:24 |
| KatolaZ | -> I can't see any breakage there | 12:24 |
| g0zzy | Well, the sleep could be up to 30 minutes | 12:24 |
| KatolaZ | unless /run/systemd/system exists in a Devuan installation | 12:24 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: how is this related to the check ? | 12:25 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 12:25 |
| g0zzy | /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily won't be run until he sleep finishes | 12:25 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: that script is run ONCE A DAY | 12:25 |
| KatolaZ | anyway | 12:25 |
| KatolaZ | if your pc is up only for 20 minutes, it won't be run anyway | 12:26 |
| KatolaZ | apt-compat is inside cron.daily | 12:26 |
| g0zzy | Precisely the problem | 12:26 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: this has nothing to do with systemd | 12:26 |
| g0zzy | Lots of my clients use their laptops in exactly that way | 12:26 |
| KatolaZ | can we agree on that? | 12:26 |
| KatolaZ | great, change the script to not sleep | 12:27 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 12:27 |
| g0zzy | Well if what you said before (it's been there for ages) then yes | 12:27 |
| g0zzy | Err, no ;) I shouldn't need to change it should i? | 12:27 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: do you have a point? | 12:28 |
| KatolaZ | and, what is it? | 12:28 |
| g0zzy | I guess my point is that unattended-upgrades are broken for my users | 12:28 |
| g0zzy | # ensure we don't do this on battery | 12:29 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: unattended-upgrade would not be running anyway if your users' uptime is normally 20 minutes | 12:29 |
| g0zzy | That also makes no sense. (random_sleep has already been called) | 12:29 |
| KatolaZ | because that script is called by anacron | 12:29 |
| KatolaZ | and it's called at 17 minutes every hour | 12:29 |
| g0zzy | So we can agree maybe my point? | 12:30 |
| KatolaZ | no | 12:30 |
| KatolaZ | I still don't get it | 12:30 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 12:30 |
| KatolaZ | that's the default which is thought to be working in most cases | 12:30 |
| KatolaZ | if you need a different policy, you should implement it | 12:31 |
| g0zzy | OK. With some of my users their pattern of usage is: power up laptop. check email. power down. 15 minutes at most | 12:31 |
| KatolaZ | that's your problem g0zzy :) | 12:31 |
| g0zzy | Can you tell me about when cron.daily is run? | 12:32 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: look into /etc/crontab | 12:32 |
| g0zzy | OK. | 12:32 |
| KatolaZ | unless you have anacron, it is run once a day | 12:32 |
| KatolaZ | if you have anacron installed and running, then look into /etc/anacrontab | 12:33 |
| g0zzy | Do you also agree that the check_power seems to make no sense? | 12:33 |
| KatolaZ | no g0zzy | 12:33 |
| KatolaZ | it does make sense | 12:33 |
| KatolaZ | because you might not want to run upgrades while on batter | 12:34 |
| g0zzy | You mean by "this" they mean "Run /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily" | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | ~battery | 12:34 |
| gnarface | g0zzy: why not launch the update job from the window manager? | 12:34 |
| gnarface | from a session login script | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: I still fail to see your point, I am sorry | 12:34 |
| g0zzy | I can't really rely on non-techies to do that | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | then g0zzy *you* as a sysadmin should take care of that | 12:35 |
| g0zzy | OK, i need to some way of handling that | 12:37 |
| g0zzy | I can't remember now but is the last line of that in ASCII still exec /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily ? | 12:37 |
| g0zzy | Can't be surely? | 12:38 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: the script in ascii is *identical* | 12:39 |
| g0zzy | OK | 12:39 |
| KatolaZ | just check by yourself | 12:39 |
| KatolaZ | download the deb | 12:39 |
| KatolaZ | and extract it | 12:40 |
| KatolaZ | (use 'ar x' ) | 12:40 |
| KatolaZ | and then look into the data.tar.xz | 12:40 |
| g0zzy | Yes, i had the qcow image running last night but couldn't remember how it ends | 12:40 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: I am telling you, I have checked | 12:41 |
| KatolaZ | and the script is the same | 12:41 |
| KatolaZ | even the systemd check is there | 12:41 |
| g0zzy | I believe you :) | 12:41 |
| KatolaZ | it might also be the same in Jessie | 12:41 |
| g0zzy | Just a pity that it means for me that unattended is broken | 12:42 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: nope, mate | 12:42 |
| KatolaZ | it's that you must configure the thing to work on your specific use case | 12:42 |
| KatolaZ | which is indeed peculiar, if you ask me | 12:43 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 12:43 |
| g0zzy | I've one guy (so far) on Devuan. I installed unattended. I bet his system has never been updated | 12:43 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: that might be a blessing :P | 12:44 |
| g0zzy | Not really - these are ultra non-techies old folks | 12:44 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: again, you can fix it easily | 12:44 |
| * g0zzy shouldn't really have to rewrite the package to get it working. | 12:44 | |
| KatolaZ | just change the apt-compat script | 12:44 |
| KatolaZ | end of story | 12:44 |
| KatolaZ | you don't have to rewrite the package | 12:45 |
| KatolaZ | you have to edit the apt-compat script | 12:45 |
| g0zzy | I might leave the power check in | 12:45 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: that's your decision | 12:45 |
| KatolaZ | it's your policy | 12:46 |
| gnarface | the window manager should have some sort of way to set programs to auto-start | 12:46 |
| gnarface | some sort of startups menu | 12:46 |
| gnarface | it is probably something you can alter for them remotely simply by distributing a file | 12:47 |
| g0zzy | Gnarface, that's an idea. But remote no - unattended is *because* remote is problematic | 12:48 |
| g0zzy | I've used a wicd script before | 12:48 |
| g0zzy | Thanks for your thoughts. Got to go and wash up ;) | 12:49 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 12:49 |
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| Centurion_Dan | yeah, when I figure out how... | 13:26 |
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| specing | /mode +r | 13:29 |
| g0zzy | So, back to the unattended-upgrades issue - what would you do in my stated case? | 13:55 |
| gnarface | tell them to leave the thing on longer to update | 13:57 |
| g0zzy | ;) | 13:59 |
| sokan | Anyone has any idea if I'll have troubles with wifi by installing dev1 in a T430? | 14:00 |
| g0zzy | KatolaZ: Why did you say that it might be a good thing that my guy's Devuan box has never updated? Have there been "issues"? | 14:01 |
| g0zzy | gnarface: you know - i think that just might be the correct solution ;) | 14:02 |
| g0zzy | Pity though - it just lends credibility to the "Linux is not desktop-ready" crew | 14:10 |
| gnarface | nothing would stop them from destroying the system by interrupting an upgrade to shut down anyway | 14:20 |
| gnarface | and it's not like windows or mac could either | 14:20 |
| gnarface | could survive that or "handle it" sanely, that is | 14:20 |
| g0zzy | Actually i'm not sure that's correct. I've had people power down during a manual upgrade by me. Worst that happened is manual removal of a lock file was necessary prior to re-running the update | 14:24 |
| gnarface | it won't even always break | 14:28 |
| gnarface | but just because it didn't break obviously didn't mean it didn't break | 14:28 |
| gnarface | it depends on what it was doing exactly, when it got interrupted | 14:28 |
| g0zzy | Windows Update is of course dire. But i somehow think that its timing is reasonably sane. Of course i have no hard evidence to state that ;) | 14:29 |
| * g0zzy has the (unfounded?) optimism that Debian updates don't break much | 14:30 | |
| gnarface | stable has been pretty stablr | 14:34 |
| gnarface | stable* | 14:34 |
| gnarface | after ascii it's hit and miss | 14:34 |
| g0zzy | How do you mean "after ASCII"? | 14:39 |
| buZz | sokan: should be fine, i had zero issues on a x230 | 14:42 |
| sokan | buZz: good news! I'm actually torn between x240 and t430 :P | 14:45 |
| buZz | :) | 14:45 |
| buZz | never tried a x240 , but should be a better machine then t430 | 14:45 |
| buZz | at least faster cpu | 14:45 |
| sokan | cheeper too XD | 14:45 |
| sokan | but smaller in size. Not sure if that's a big issue | 14:46 |
| buZz | thats an improvement imho | 14:47 |
| buZz | smaller laptops = less effort to carry them along | 14:47 |
| buZz | unless you're one of those ppl who buy a laptop and then -never- move it :D | 14:47 |
| KatolaZ | g0zzy: there have been npo issues at all | 14:48 |
| KatolaZ | the issue is thinking that automagic stuff will save our ass | 14:49 |
| KatolaZ | which is the source of most of the shit we have to deal with | 14:49 |
| gnarface | g0zzy: i mean, use stable (ascii) and you will generally have less surprises | 14:52 |
| gnarface | also, you will generally have fewer updates | 14:53 |
| sokan | buZz: the idea is to have it with me all the time. :P | 14:54 |
| buZz | sokan: then get the smallest you can find ;) | 14:54 |
| sokan | But it'l be used to game a bit and watch series etc. I'll be away from home and I'll need it | 14:55 |
| buZz | x230 runs steam just fine | 14:55 |
| buZz | and i played nearly all Wii and PSP games on it :P | 14:55 |
| sokan | buZz: good news :D Also, is x2* as customizable as T430? Like if something breaks I can order screen etc from ebay and fix it myseld? | 14:55 |
| buZz | yes | 14:55 |
| sokan | and max RAM goes to 8 GB? | 14:56 |
| KatolaZ | sokan: keyboards after x220 are a bit lower quality IMHO | 14:56 |
| KatolaZ | I had a couple of x220 and they are all right (they are both still working) | 14:57 |
| KatolaZ | since x230 the keyboard has changed | 14:57 |
| * surrounder pets his x220 | 14:57 | |
| sokan | haha | 14:57 |
| KatolaZ | (I have an x260 now) | 14:57 |
| * KatolaZ agrees with surrounder | 14:57 | |
| KatolaZ | x220 are great machines | 14:57 |
| sokan | My options sadly are a bit limited due to the country I live in and I want to buy stuff from shops here for the time being. | 14:58 |
| surrounder | aye, still really happy with this laptop | 14:58 |
| sokan | so I can choose between x230, x240 (the latter being cheaper) and T430 | 14:59 |
| KatolaZ | sokan: ebay | 15:00 |
| sokan | I'm impressed that all devs and tech people (coming from linux world anyway) swear by thinkpad x and t series | 15:00 |
| KatolaZ | it is full of x220 in very good conditions | 15:00 |
| KatolaZ | and quite cheap as well | 15:00 |
| KatolaZ | sokan: then just choose the one with the larger amount of RAM | 15:01 |
| KatolaZ | the differences between x230 and x240 are mostly irrelevent | 15:01 |
| KatolaZ | (IMHO, obviously) | 15:02 |
| sokan | KatolaZ, surrounder, buZz thanks for you input people :) | 15:02 |
| buZz | well, 3rd gen vs 4th gen cpu ;) | 15:02 |
| buZz | sokan: i only swear by x series ;) | 15:02 |
| buZz | and i have 16gb in my x230 | 15:02 |
| sokan | I'll go for highest RAM (and newest cpu) on x series :) | 15:03 |
| buZz | x240 cant have 16gb, x230 (and x220 iirc) can | 15:03 |
| sokan | :O | 15:03 |
| sokan | buZz: you prefer x to t due to size only? | 15:04 |
| buZz | yes | 15:04 |
| buZz | weight, size, appearance | 15:04 |
| sokan | also KatolaZ it's always IMHO in my mind :P | 15:05 |
| * g0zzy always uses stable for user desktops | 15:05 | |
| KatolaZ | sokan: it's better to always specify "IMHO", IMHO ;P | 15:06 |
| sokan | hahaha | 15:06 |
| sokan | g0zzy: you don't like living on the edge? :P | 15:06 |
| g0zzy | Nah. I like stability | 15:07 |
| sokan | trying to sort dependency issues all the time XD | 15:07 |
| sokan | KatolaZ: if I manage to get invoices for tax reduction from ebay I'll certainly consider buying from there | 15:08 |
| * g0zzy now discovers that unattended-upgrades cannot be relied upon to perform unattended upgrades | 15:08 | |
| g0zzy | sokan: don't screenshots of purchases cut it? | 15:10 |
| buZz | i use ascii-backports a lot on desktops | 15:12 |
| sokan | g0zzy: sadly no. I need a specific type of receipt to prove I need it for professional use | 15:14 |
| g0zzy | Is that a general problem with HMRC? | 15:16 |
| sokan | HMRC? | 15:19 |
| buZz | head mounted remote control? | 15:19 |
| g0zzy | Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. But i see you're probably not in the UK :) | 15:22 |
| sokan | nah | 15:22 |
| sokan | Greece | 15:22 |
| g0zzy | Ah. I think they are a bit more lenient here | 15:22 |
| sokan | yeah | 15:23 |
| sokan | For some reaons tax here is a pain | 15:23 |
| sokan | it's why most people don't care for receipts in the first place XD | 15:23 |
| KatolaZ | oh sokan I assumed it was a personal purchase, sorry | 15:28 |
| KatolaZ | nevertheless, there are ebay shops able to issue invoices | 15:29 |
| KatolaZ | actually, most of them can | 15:29 |
| MinceR | so +q $~a doesn't work anymore? | 15:34 |
| * MinceR scratches head | 15:34 | |
| specing | it should | 15:34 |
| MinceR | yet flyingtriangle0 could spam | 15:34 |
| MinceR | and nickserv says there's no such nick registered | 15:35 |
| specing | MinceR: I didn't see any spam | 15:35 |
| MinceR | oh, it was sent to me because i was opped | 15:35 |
| specing | MinceR: I think the lines are only shown to ops | 15:35 |
| MinceR | i forgot it works that way :) | 15:35 |
| specing | yes | 15:35 |
| MinceR | nice | 15:35 |
| buZz | spammers again? gee | 15:45 |
| buZz | been a while :D | 15:46 |
| emdete | i remember there was a wiki explaining how to migrate an existing debian or ubuntu to devuan but i cant find that anymore. can someone tell if i remember correctly and what the url was? thank you :) | 16:03 |
| KatolaZ | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ <- emdete | 16:08 |
| Venker | hi people | 16:10 |
| emdete | KatolaZ: thank's! | 16:11 |
| golinux | specing: I have no ops in this channel. Neither does rrq | 16:16 |
| specing | golinux: rrq has filters, you have ops: ChanServ: 7 golinux +Aotv (AOP) [modified 2y 40w 0d ago] | 16:19 |
| golinux | specing: That's news to me | 16:23 |
| golinux | and it | 16:23 |
| golinux | 's probably not a good idea because I really don't know how to admin irc. | 16:24 |
| golinux | rrq has filter for the forum. Unlikely they would work on irc as it's a different beast. | 16:25 |
| booyah | golinux: I know quite a lot about irc, in case of questions | 16:45 |
| golinux | booyah: Thanks. I usually ping buZz but can't do that when I'm asleep. | 16:49 |
| Venker | I've got an error with udev: » grub2 - WARNING: Device /dev/sda1 not initialized in udev database... | 16:53 |
| Venker | I can remount all /etc/fstab entries but it's likewise stuck | 16:54 |
| DonkeyHotei | [Sat 2019-03-02 06:35:16 AM PST] <MinceR> oh, it was sent to me because i was opped <-------- you need to /mode -z the channel | 16:55 |
| Venker | grub-pc doesn't reconfigure. Should I purge grub-pc and reinstall? | 16:55 |
| Venker | I'm in Devuan Testing | 17:12 |
| Xenguy | Venker: Not sure, but idle for a bit if you can, as there are some very knowledgeable folks that drop in here now and again | 18:35 |
| g0zzy | Isn't update-grub normally used? | 19:33 |
| Venker | thanks Xenguy, I'm reinstalling right now ^_^U | 19:33 |
| Venker | eudev, lvm2 and grub-pc were fucked up | 19:34 |
| Venker | at least I can use a beowulf mini.iso to install a new pristine system, instead of starting from ascii | 19:35 |
| Venker | and do dist-upgrade | 19:35 |
| emdete | is there a different way to install the devuan key? some `curl|apt-key`? what would be the url? | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | emdete, you could 'apt-get download devuan-keyring' to get the package, then install with dpkg | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | otherwise, look around at pkgmaster.devuan.org for the package and wget or curl it | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | I mean look for the file, not the package | 21:07 |
| emdete | apt doesnt find the package as it didnt use the repo in the first place as its not signed. | 21:10 |
| emdete | i would suggest to provide the link in the wiki on devuans page to circumvent this deadlock | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | If I'm not around when Venker comes back to say it didn't work, show him this link, and tell him he also needs to bind the hosts /run/udev to the target. Then update-grub will succeed. I'll be back in a few hours. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105389/arch-grub-asking-for-run-lvm-lvmetad-socket-on-a-non-lvm-disk | 21:20 |
| xinomilo | emdete, this maybe : apt-key adv --keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys E032601B7CA10BC3EA53FA81BB23C00C61FC752C | 21:24 |
| xinomilo | there's also another key in devuan-keyring : 72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB | 21:24 |
| emdete | the build looked for BB23C00C61FC752C ... but cool, i didnt know apt-key supports that. thank you! | 21:26 |
| emdete | maybe a hint in the wiki would be good 🙂 | 21:26 |
| xinomilo | emdete: BB23C00C61FC752C is short keyid of E032601B7CA10BC3EA53FA81BB23C00C61FC752C | 21:30 |
| xinomilo | same thing :) | 21:30 |
| Xenguy | openssh update, but I don't see it on the mirror yet | 22:01 |
| KatolaZ | Xenguy: it should hit the repos soonish | 22:02 |
| Xenguy | Oh, that's on the Debian side | 22:02 |
| Xenguy | OK, thanks KatolaZ | 22:02 |
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