| onefang | Debian bun fight in the works. dpkg maintainers REALLY don't like usrmerge. I just noticed dpkg-fsys-usrunmess, it's man page is a fun read. | 05:38 |
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| onefang | Hopefully they don't run it automatically. | 05:49 |
| Xenguy | dpkg maintainers, the last bastion of resistance : -) | 06:30 |
| Xenguy | Poor poor debian, how they have fallen | 06:31 |
| Xenguy | *They* used to be the resistance | 06:31 |
| xrogaan | onefang: on the lists? | 11:39 |
| onefang | dpkg-fsys-usrunmess is part of the dpkg package. I just updated it today, and noticed it was there, then read the man page. It's job is to undo usrmerge. It's man page says bad things about usrmerge. | 12:23 |
| onefang | Part of the bun fight can be seen at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#Q:_Does_dpkg_support_merged-.2Fusr-via-aliased-dirs.3F which is referenced by the man page. Starts by basically saying usrmerge will break your system, then is followed by a note that not using usrmerge will break your system. lol | 12:38 |
| HumanGeek | Hi i know its maybe not really the place but i think it's better if you know. (also need a little help) | 19:00 |
| HumanGeek | in current debian testing i have issue with udev (systemd less install, i also try to use mdev but not really achieve it). | 19:01 |
| HumanGeek | udev not start at boot. | 19:01 |
| HumanGeek | making sddm/x not automaticly start at boot too. | 19:02 |
| HumanGeek | My work around is currently : | 19:02 |
| HumanGeek | - boot | 19:02 |
| HumanGeek | - tty root login | 19:02 |
| HumanGeek | - service udev start | 19:02 |
| HumanGeek | and voila but can be better if it's auto | 19:03 |
| HumanGeek | so i try : | 19:03 |
| HumanGeek | update-rc.d udev enable | 19:03 |
| HumanGeek | but an issue occurs | 19:03 |
| HumanGeek | update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting! | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | did they remove the init script? | 19:04 |
| HumanGeek | Because it's quite impossible to get help from #debian-next | 19:04 |
| HumanGeek | 2 questions | 19:04 |
| fsmithred | lol, so I've heard | 19:04 |
| HumanGeek | is i miss an upade-rc option ? | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | maybe you'd have better luck with eudev | 19:05 |
| HumanGeek | probably but not in debian repo | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | dunno. I'd have to re-read the man page. | 19:05 |
| HumanGeek | ok | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | I usually use sysv-rc-conf | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | defaults | 19:06 |
| HumanGeek | will check for the tool and the init script | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | I think that might be the command you want to use in update-rc.d | 19:06 |
| HumanGeek | also i see in release/bug log of sysinit orphan script in debian some remove | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | assuming there's an init script with defaults in it. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | yes, they are removing init scripts. | 19:07 |
| HumanGeek | no lvl of init in that tool for udev | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand. | 19:07 |
| HumanGeek | nothing is check in sysv-rc-conf | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | eudev has S checked | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | way at the end | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | arrows and space bar | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | q to quit | 19:09 |
| HumanGeek | # Default-Start: S in the init script in /etc/init.d/udev | 19:09 |
| HumanGeek | ok | 19:10 |
| HumanGeek | is there is a way to check if it's me or somethings else touch the conf ? | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | I don't know of a way | 19:11 |
| HumanGeek | i have an etckeeper any idea of what file is involve by putting the S option ? | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | it makes the symlinks | 19:13 |
| HumanGeek | i make a reboot try :) | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | etc/rc.S/... | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | taht's wrong | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | rcS.d | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | ? | 19:13 |
| HumanGeek | humm strange never had been followed/add | 19:15 |
| HumanGeek | but i thunk i have same issue on new/fresh install | 19:16 |
| HumanGeek | if i do a debian bug report and says put default sysvinit level to S they will understand ? | 19:16 |
| HumanGeek | any way to check in debian src package it's not an error on my side ? | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | sure, they'll understand. They're not stupid; just dicks. | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | maybe post on forum or mailing list and someone else has run into it. Also check for bug reports. | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | chances are good you'll get a "wontfix" | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | are you on latest stable or testing/unstable? | 19:18 |
| HumanGeek | is being a dick is not being stupid ? you have 3 hours. (french translated joke about exam studies especialy philosofy) | 19:19 |
| HumanGeek | fsmithred: testing | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | they are separate characteristics. (intelligence and manners) | 19:20 |
| HumanGeek | i keep debian testing especialy to make upstream devuan report (aka in debian). In order to they keep maintaining stuff | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | cool, thanks for doing that. | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | I have to go. | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | Good luck on the reboot. | 19:21 |
| HumanGeek | if they can't see why diversity is good maybe they are not so smart. | 19:21 |
| HumanGeek | ok, thx fsmithred | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | check the postinst scripts to see if they changed (removed) the link. | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | I'm guessing that's where it happens. | 19:22 |
| HumanGeek | ok i will send the report link/number if several of you want to "upvote". | 19:23 |
| LeePen | HumanGeek: there is an ongoing migration of the Debian udev init script to bin:initscripts. | 19:31 |
| LeePen | See #1053301 for outstanding issue | 19:35 |
| HumanGeek | LeePen: ok thx | 19:56 |
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