libera/#devuan-arm/ Friday, 2024-05-24

gnarfacenomia: make sure you specify the repo hostname on the debootstrap command-line or it's gonna be trying to debootstrap your devuan from armbian sources01:48
FatPhilone of our laptops is running horribly hot - it's mostly idling, but it's over 70C (I'm under 50C on my similar laptop under higher load)14:59
FatPhilthe fan doesn't seem to have spun up, can I persuade it to shed some heat somehow?15:00
gnarfaceuh... some sort of control over thermal thresholds may be possible in /sys if drivers support it maybe?15:06
FatPhilfan2_input under sys/..../hwmon/ reads 65535, which doesn't sound like a real RPM value, it sounds like an error15:32
gnarfacehmm, yea... support for this stuff tends to suck in general15:34
gnarfacewhat do you have the cpu governor at?15:35
gnarfacecat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor15:35
gnarfaceis it the same on both laptops?15:35
gnarfacethat could cause a big difference in idle temps15:35
gnarfaceand do you have lm-sensors installed and configured? i've seen laptop fan rigs that need to be goosed by the temperature sensors driver just to work15:36
FatPhilthey weren't installed - just installing fancontrol, lm-sensors, and thinkfan...15:38
gnarfacesheesh, make sure you have acpi installed15:39
gnarfaceyou might just want to go ahead and install task-laptop but maybe that's overkill, not sure15:39
FatPhilall 4 cpus are saying powersave on both laptops15:39
gnarfacefancontrol probably is useless except on super old hardware now, and even for that stuff its own docs advise you not to use it...15:40
gnarfaceafter installing lm-sensors though you'll want to run sensors-detect as root and answer yes to all questions15:40
gnarfacethinkfan i'm not familiar with15:41
gnarfacebut the other thing to check is the actual system bioses... sometimes there will be fan aggressiveness presets15:41
gnarfaceit may have like a performance mode and a quiet mode and a medium mode15:42
FatPhilI notice that I don't have any of those three packages on my (behaving) thinkpad.15:42
gnarfacehmm15:43
gnarfaceyea, check the bioses15:43
FatPhilI did have to use fancontrol on my MSI Cubi box, but that was to get it to lower the fan aggressiveness.15:43
gnarfacemaybe it's just a model difference or a hardware load difference? heat can come from gpu or wireless devices instead of cpu load for example?15:44
gnarfacejust guesses15:44
FatPhilyeah, these are different model thinkpads, alas15:44
FatPhilhers didn't always use to be this way, she only noticed it today, she's had it years15:45
FatPhilpowertop did say that GPU was at 100%15:46
gnarfacethat seems conspicuous15:46
gnarfacefor an old laptop you might want to make sure the fans are even working too though15:46
gnarfacenot sure how exactly15:46
gnarfacebut if you're desperate to cool it down and not afraid to disassemble it, re-applying some higher quality thermal compound than they use at the factory stock can help a lot, if you do it just right (a common mistake is to use too much)15:47
FatPhilMy GPU is powered up .4%, and in RC6 99.6% of the time15:47
FatPhilI'd rather just spin the fan up!15:48
FatPhilthat's what it's there fore!15:48
FatPhil-e15:48
gnarfacehmm, is this nvidia gpus?15:48
gnarfacethe nouveau drivers are known for failing to spin up the fans sometimes15:48
gnarfaceeven their official drivers screw it up occasionally15:49
gnarfaceworth trying a different version15:49
FatPhillspci says we have different Intel VGA controllers, I'm not sure if that identifies the GPUs15:50
gnarfacedoes vga only show up once?15:50
gnarfaceyes, but there could be more than one of them, in theory...15:54
gnarfacemaybe not with an old thinkpad15:54
gnarfacethere's two different xorg drivers you could be using though15:54
gnarfacethe default modesetting one and the one actually called intel15:54
gnarfaceyou know we're in #devaun-arm though right?15:55
gnarface*devuan15:55
FatPhiloooops! I must have accidentally changed window16:00
FatPhil-> offtopic16:00

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