libera/#devuan-arm/ Friday, 2023-12-15

presihi, why the image for rpi1 is armel?22:16
gnarfacepresi: using armhf on those boards requires non-free firmware22:18
gnarfaceand debian's stock kernels only support armhf back to armv722:19
agneliwell that armv7 is sometimes questionable gnarface22:20
agnelineon is optional in armv722:21
gnarfacenoted, but as "armv6+" (as broadcom calls these) they're the only arm cpus that early with any HF at all22:21
agneliand it does creep in in devuan binaries sometimes22:21
gnarfaceit's actually the key sticking point about why debian refused to support them to begin with, and the fundamental reason raspbian exists22:21
presiinteresting, thanks22:22
gnarfacei was under the impression that you could download the non-free firmware and build a custom kernel with it yourself, then presumably you'd be able to use the armhf repos, but i haven't looked into how hard that is. i think gentoo wiki might have some pointers on the matter.22:23
gnarface(they might be gentoo-specific though)22:23
gnarfaceyou could try making a gentoo image and then swapping the rootfs with a debootstrapped armhf one from devuan22:24
gnarface(something i'd considered trying myself, let me know if it works!)22:24
gnarfaceagneli: hmm, yes, you're right, i recall that issue cropping up in firefox builds at some point22:26
gnarfacei forget who was complaining about that22:26
presiI think I can live with armel then, if I need more performance I have a rpi322:27
gnarfacethe only thing i noticed that really suffered without it was video decoding22:28
agnelifirefox is a bitch, they did have neon assembly last time I checked22:28
agneliI tried to remove neon...22:28
agneli:(22:28
presignarface: the gpu and fpu are sharing hardware units?22:29
gnarfacepresi: i guess so? i'm not super clear on specifics. the video decoder requires some other proprietary api called "omx" or something like that... to be fair i don't now for sure that you need armhf for it, just that it's also dependent on the non-free build-time kernel firmware22:31
gnarfacehang out, someone around here might know more but it's a slow channel22:32
gnarfaceactually agneli here might even know, but i think fsmithred or parazyd made those images22:32
presigood to know that probably the omxplayer won't work on this system22:37
gnarfacepresi: heh, no it definitely won't. and that's the primary reason i've been considering trying a gentoo image build, to see if it will work on that.22:48
gnarfacei think if i can figure out the gentoo way i should be able to translate it to devuan22:49
gnarfacethen the question remains whether that will work as well as the old raspbian build i was using before, but to find out i'll have to interrupt my timelapse job, so motivation is low...22:50
gnarfaceif it works for you, i'd appreciate feedback :)22:50
agnelibtw I hope I have solved my issue with wifi and old kernel on my laptop :)23:19
agnelithe old kernel was not setting the clock for the phy ic for the ulpi interface...23:19
agnelicompiling and will be testing soon :)23:19

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