libera/#devuan-arm/ Friday, 2023-06-23

latexAnyone know how to build a headless installation image for ARM?14:41
gnarfaceit's a slow channel, so you may not get any additional help here for a while14:43
gnarfacethere's image build scripts up on git.devuan.org or i could just try to walk you through a debootstrap install14:43
latexAre there wiki articles on it though?14:43
gnarfacei'm sure there are, but the problem with arm devices is that no two are alike14:44
gnarfaceso typically all such info is board specific14:44
latexI have a raspberry pi 2 and 3 and I'd like to maybe install devuan but have it autoconnect to wifi and SSH14:44
gnarfaceoh14:44
gnarfacewell that's silly. there's images for both those already built. they're up at arm-files.devuan.org14:44
latexBut before you link me to the already existing images (which I somehow doubt are headless), I'd like to know how the ARM build process works anyways14:44
gnarfacewell it's easy to make them headless even if they're not14:45
latexHow?14:45
gnarfacejust disable or uninstall the gui stuff14:45
gnarfacethat said, the images i mentioned are less than 600MB so the chances of them not being headless seem dubious to me14:46
gnarfacewe got smart people around here14:46
gnarface(it's just as easy to add the gui as remove it, once you know how the distro tools work)14:46
gnarfacei can walk you through that too, if necessary14:48
gnarfacebut it's basically just about knowing which packages to install14:48
latexI'd be curious about it14:49
latexI don't know that much about how to manipulate an installation image14:49
latexBut I'd like to know14:49
gnarfaceyou mean an installed image, or an actual installation image?14:49
gnarfacethe build scripts for installation images are up at git.devuan.org somewhere14:50
gnarfacei think14:50
gnarfaceyou don't have to sign in to browse14:50
latexI mainly mean an installation image, but I guess if it's supposed to be headless it makes more sense to directly attach the storage medium it should be installed on and later insert the installed storage medium in the device14:54
agneliguys correct me if I miss understood15:13
agnelibut can't is just be redirected to some ssh session?15:14
agneliis is possible via the installer15:14
agnelibut then there is this autofile15:14
agneliwhich coudl process basics automatically and then tell installer to get ssh15:15
agneliwould that make sense?15:15
gnarfacenot sure what you mean agneli. yes of course if you're doing a debootstrap install you can do it over ssh but you still have to have something bootable first. afaik all these images are just pre-install rootfs images.15:15
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agneliach crap :)15:16
agnelitoo focused on work15:16
agneliof course each time I install devuan I debootstrap it15:16
gnarfacethe regular installer images do have ssh capability, but it doesn't seem very popular to build them for arm. i'm not really sure why.15:16
agnelii was thinking about x8515:16
agneli*g15:16
agnelicrap15:16
agneli*615:16
agneliforgive me for this sin dear Friends :)15:16
agnelignarface: how many "ordinary people" use arm?15:17
agneliapart from Linus Torvals/Asahi on Apple Silicon :)15:17
gnarfacei wouldn't know. i don't have any friends.15:18
agnelian average person that uses arm with linux seems to be much more versed15:18
agnelithan average x86/amd64 person15:18
agnelior maybe only amd64 :)15:18
agneli32bit seems to be reserved for fans only thses days15:18
agneliall in all excuse me for wasting time :) back to work :(15:19
agnelibut yeah would be great to have that possibility so I do not know to go each time I have to install...15:20
agneliach and dtb - is it even possible to make a generic kernel that would boot on every arm v7 device for example?15:21
gnarfaceas far as i know, no.15:22
agneliand get the network... my device for example does not have eth at all... wifi is always a pita15:22
agneliso I think that would be the answer15:22
agnelimy remark about regular ppl using linux on arm might not be the best of reasons15:23
gnarfacethe i386 and amd64 installs both use the stock debian kernels, but each of these arm images have their own custom kernel15:23
agneliexactly so each installer would need to be a specific one15:24
gnarfaceand as far as i know that's basically required for arm because of how different they all are15:24
agneliwith a specific kernel... so nobody gives a damn I guess...15:24
gnarfaceyes it's probably just easier to make them this way, and they figure most people using arm devices can figure out how to do what the installer does manually15:25
agneliso installing remotely might be a challenge15:26
agnelion my devices I need to get u-boot first15:27
gnarfacemaybe, but there might be some tricks15:27
gnarfacesomething about PXE boot or FEL mode?15:27
agneliit might not be applicable to pri I think?15:27
agneliu-boot shold be able to do some boot via network...15:27
agnelibut again eth I believe15:27
agnelito quote certain golden robot from a galaxy far far away: "we were made to suffer" :)15:28
onefanggnarface: You have plenty of friends here.  B-)15:48
gnarfaceheh, thanks man15:51
agnelithat is so very true onefang, gnarface: you are always so nice and helpful :)16:08
gnarfacei appreciate it guys. i wasn't fishing for compliments though. i really have no idea how many average people use arm devices these days. seems like it's certainly been on the rise though...16:09
agnelithat is the main reason I am around :)16:09
agnelieverybody needs nice words, if somebody says it is not needed that very person is lying...16:10
agnelijust imageine Vova Z. and Vova P. exchanging seet words instead of warheads...16:11
agneli*sweet16:11
agnelibtw... anybody using any tegra board?16:14
agnelinvflash destroys my bct each time I am using it... and puts device permanently in recovery mode16:14
gnarfacenot i16:16
agnelinot very important, but I would like to know wth...16:16
agnelinvflash is proprietary hence evil16:16

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