| kreyren | Howddya authorize devuan repository these days | 17:28 |
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| * kreyren can't join #devuan bcs banned for some reason | 17:28 | |
| * kreyren has teres-1 with armbian sid and is trying to convert that in devuan to get Openrc | 17:28 | |
| kreyren | https://www.devuan.org/os/keyring found it~ | 17:31 |
| kreyren | ehh how do you migrade weird debian in armbian on devuan with openrc? | 17:41 |
| kreyren | it says that openrc is not a real package (virtual) | 17:42 |
| kreyren | :o | 17:42 |
| kreyren | hmm guess imma doing sysvinit | 17:42 |
| rwp | kreyren, #devuan requires a registered nick to join as an anti-spam measure. | 17:51 |
| kreyren | imma registered no? | 17:51 |
| rwp | To authorize devuan repositories make sure you have the devuan-keyring package installed. | 17:51 |
| kreyren | yee | 17:51 |
| kreyren | rwp, yep got that but dunno how to get rid of systemd and install operrc now | 17:51 |
| kreyren | bcs systemd is kinda breaking this whole system and i need a good fallback for guix development | 17:52 |
| kreyren | @_@ | 17:52 |
| rwp | The migration process from Debian with systemd to Devuan without systemd https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 17:52 |
| rwp | I would follow the migration instructions and switch to sysvinit since that is a well tested pathway. | 17:53 |
| rwp | And then after migrating away from systemd and onto Devuan then switch to openrc. | 17:53 |
| kreyren | oke | 18:05 |
| kreyren | imma on armbian sid bcs that's the only available thing for OLIMEX teres-1 or is there a devuan thing i can load onto it that will have the kernel and stuff? | 18:06 |
| kreyren | and it's kinda weird setup that if i remove xfce that my network stops working xD | 18:08 |
| kreyren | ohhh | 18:09 |
| kreyren | i am supposed to use merged not devuan | 18:09 |
| rwp | Yes. The sources.list would be http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 18:13 |
| kreyren | yee i remember now | 18:13 |
| rwp | Most likely XFCE is what is pulling in a networking management tool like network-manager and removing XFCE and autoremove then removes it. | 18:14 |
| kreyren | seems that the kernel is provided by armbian repos so i should be good on devuan | 18:14 |
| kreyren | rwp, ye though that to be the case.. ehh how to prevent that? | 18:14 |
| kreyren | like i have mods, but i didn't get the mod that adds ethernet port xD | 18:15 |
| rwp | I have had a long history of network-manager screwing me over by taking the network offline during upgrades but never bringing it back up again. | 18:15 |
| * kreyren kinda wants gnome | 18:15 | |
| rwp | Which means I must do something manually on the device to get it back online. NetworkManager has screwed me over that way many times over the years. | 18:15 |
| kreyren | howddya do that manually? | 18:16 |
| rwp | People keep say, "It's only a bug. Report it and people will fix it." But it has been at least ten years and it is still not fixed. | 18:16 |
| rwp | So now I use ifupdown only pretty much exclusively on these types of systems. | 18:16 |
| kreyren | also i have a problem with systemd spawning an infinite startjob that then infiniteloops the startup process =..= | 18:16 |
| kreyren | thus devuan and nuking it out~ | 18:16 |
| rwp | And of course if one installs ifupdown then it will be marked as manually installed and it will not be a candidate for autoremove. | 18:17 |
| kreyren | ifupdown? How does that help? | 18:17 |
| * kreyren never used that | 18:17 | |
| kreyren | and like it shows the adapter up in ifconfig, but i can't connect it to anything with nmtui | 18:17 |
| rwp | The ifupdown package had been the standard network managing tool for Debian for twenty years or something before the arrival of systemd-networkd. | 18:18 |
| rwp | I am sure you have used it without realizing you were using it. | 18:18 |
| kreyren | probably O.o | 18:18 |
| rwp | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration | 18:18 |
| kreyren | how do you connect the wifi though | 18:20 |
| kreyren | bcs like teres-1 only has wifi | 18:20 |
| rwp | I see you mentioned armbian and the teres-1 but I have no experience with it. I am running the original Banana Pi with Devuan and I don't use anything from armbian. I can use the stock Debian/Devuan kernel. | 18:20 |
| rwp | For WiFi I used to use WICD to manage the WiFi. But unfortunately due to Python2 and no one really converting it to Python3 for ongoing support WICD has been lost from the new releases that only maintain Python3. | 18:22 |
| kreyren | the teres-1 has +- standard A64 which should be fully mainlined so devuan kernel should work on it? | 18:22 |
| rwp | So now I am doing things "the hard way" with wpa_supplicant directly but it is working really well for me so that's what I am doing. | 18:22 |
| rwp | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse | 18:22 |
| kreyren | ummm the process on https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera fails at installing eudev and sysvinit-core with systemd is an active init and prompting to switch it | 18:23 |
| rwp | For most people though who come from WICD then the standard recommendation is to try out connman which is another independent network managing tool. | 18:23 |
| kreyren | oh it says that it will cause breakage | 18:23 |
| kreyren | nwm | 18:23 |
| rwp | And a lot of people continue to use NetworkManager regardless because they are not suffering from the problems I described. | 18:23 |
| kreyren | howddya connect to wifi on conman? i use that on guix i think | 18:24 |
| kreyren | but like i have GUI | 18:24 |
| kreyren | @_@ | 18:24 |
| rwp | How is installing eudev failing? | 18:24 |
| rwp | connman has a GUI so just use the GUI. (There is also a CLI interface too.) | 18:25 |
| kreyren | i see | 18:26 |
| kreyren | so ehh install conman and then it should be fine to get rid of xfce4 right | 18:26 |
| kreyren | hmm i am at the reboot phase and it reboots into a black screen | 18:28 |
| kreyren | @_@ | 18:28 |
| rwp | What is the motivation to get rid of xfce? | 18:28 |
| rwp | Well... No display working is not good. | 18:28 |
| kreyren | i prefer gnome and i need some kind of stable fallback OS for developing guix | 18:29 |
| kreyren | the display works it just seems to fail the boot sequence | 18:29 |
| kreyren | oh | 18:29 |
| kreyren | the display doesn't work | 18:29 |
| kreyren | i just blindly typed root account followed by reboot and it rebooted | 18:30 |
| kreyren | weirdddd | 18:30 |
| * kreyren is trying to SSH | 18:31 | |
| kreyren | umm is there like a devuan live image for arm? | 18:32 |
| * kreyren found https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-arm64/ | 18:32 | |
| kreyren | it even has an image for teres-1 on https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-arm64/current/images/u-boot/ | 18:33 |
| kreyren | ... that is 1 MB | 18:34 |
| kreyren | eh? | 18:34 |
| kreyren | https://www.olimex.com/forum/index.php?topic=7840.0 | 18:35 |
| kreyren | oh | 18:35 |
| kreyren | hmm it's unable to detect my wireless thing | 18:50 |
| kreyren | tried to connect RTL8188ETV to it too | 18:52 |
| rwp | Sorry but I have no idea as I don't have such a similar device. On my Banana Pi there is no built-in WiFi and I am using a USB attached WiFi adaptor. | 18:55 |
| kreyren | ummm | 18:57 |
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